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Re: Is £2000 for an amp "painfully expensive"?
« Reply #135 on: September 07, 2009, 09:57:55 AM »
A modified question

Is £2000 too much for an amp that you've heard clips of, liked a lot, heard descriptions of that are right up your street, but never played or heard in person?

In general this is too much a risk, unless the amp is from a Canadian custom builder who starts with "P" and ends on "s"  :lol:

I would really enjoy some Peters clips and a review from you soon!
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Re: Is £2000 for an amp "painfully expensive"?
« Reply #136 on: September 07, 2009, 10:03:21 AM »
Is it a lot of risk though, Hunter?  If you've heard clips and like the way it's been designed?

I would have bought a Bogner Shiva based on clips and spec had I not met Martin from Martamp.

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Re: Is £2000 for an amp "painfully expensive"?
« Reply #137 on: September 07, 2009, 10:20:37 AM »
Is it a lot of risk though, Hunter? 

That's why I want MDV to buy one first, so my risk is less  :lol:

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Re: Is £2000 for an amp "painfully expensive"?
« Reply #138 on: September 07, 2009, 10:23:48 AM »
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Re: Is £2000 for an amp "painfully expensive"?
« Reply #139 on: September 07, 2009, 10:40:04 AM »
I've just had a look at those Peters amps.  They don't look any more 'special' than an MJW to me.  Are they just a nice two-channel Marshall type, or am I missing something?

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Re: Is £2000 for an amp "painfully expensive"?
« Reply #140 on: September 07, 2009, 10:46:46 AM »
I've just had a look at those Peters amps.  They don't look any more 'special' than an MJW to me.  Are they just a nice two-channel Marshall type, or am I missing something?

Marshall type is relative. The Halo is a really great clean and the second channel can be very brootal too, depending on the design you chose. To me the Chimaira clips I heard sound nothing like a Marshall to me, more like between an Uebershall and an EVH stype setup. So yeah, Marshall very remotely. I don't think the Orion can have as much gain as the Gryphon or Chimaira and stay tight and transparent, but prove me wrong.

One thing that is special are also his tricks, switches and controls to get a very complex fine tuning to make the amp sound big at any volume. And then of course his designs have a very transparent and powerful loop, external bias points etc.

He also uses top notch components. All these add to the price.
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Re: Is £2000 for an amp "painfully expensive"?
« Reply #141 on: September 07, 2009, 11:11:17 AM »
Gotcha.  Martin should try and do something similar shouldn't he?  I'd be interested to see what he could do in the high gain area....

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Re: Is £2000 for an amp "painfully expensive"?
« Reply #142 on: September 07, 2009, 11:21:08 AM »

Some more info on what you get:




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Re: Is £2000 for an amp "painfully expensive"?
« Reply #143 on: September 07, 2009, 11:41:04 AM »
Nicely made amp - I know Martin could build that....

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Re: Is £2000 for an amp "painfully expensive"?
« Reply #144 on: September 07, 2009, 11:44:08 AM »
He also uses top notch components. All these add to the price.

Nice looking amps. The components are standard stuff, not especially expensive, I use the same. The top one is put together using some fairly laborious techniques (apart from the preamp heaters!) which will take extra time (cost more) but do nothing for the sound, other than keep things stable.
There are some tricks in the circuit, presumably to deal with high gain issues. Nice to see some original thinking going on (along with some "standard" stuff.
I have no doubt I could build something similar for a similar price. Forget exchange rates, as a dollar buys what a pound can, we'd be talking around the £2000 mark. Put a deposit down, and I can 100% guarantee you that you will love the sound. I will work with the owner until they do.  :)
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Re: Is £2000 for an amp "painfully expensive"?
« Reply #145 on: September 07, 2009, 01:06:50 PM »
Gotcha.  Martin should try and do something similar shouldn't he?  I'd be interested to see what he could do in the high gain area....

When I requested this several months ago I was firmly told by both you and Martin that he wouldn't be doing high gain... ever!  8)
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Re: Is £2000 for an amp "painfully expensive"?
« Reply #146 on: September 07, 2009, 01:40:29 PM »
I've just had a look at those Peters amps.  They don't look any more 'special' than an MJW to me.  Are they just a nice two-channel Marshall type, or am I missing something?

Marshall type is relative. The Halo is a really great clean and the second channel can be very brootal too, depending on the design you chose. To me the Chimaira clips I heard sound nothing like a Marshall to me, more like between an Uebershall and an EVH stype setup. So yeah, Marshall very remotely. I don't think the Orion can have as much gain as the Gryphon or Chimaira and stay tight and transparent, but prove me wrong.

One thing that is special are also his tricks, switches and controls to get a very complex fine tuning to make the amp sound big at any volume. And then of course his designs have a very transparent and powerful loop, external bias points etc.

He also uses top notch components. All these add to the price.

Yeah, there are many aspects of Peters that are appealing to me
-   Fine tuned meticulously and obsessively to be transparent, responsive, dynamic metal amps (partly with the gryphon, largely with the hydra and completely with the chimera: the polaris looks more marshall, maybe the gryphon too (but I’ve heard A/B clips of a gryphon KILL a JCM800, so idk).  
-   Power section controls tuned to get as good a sound as possible at low volume
-   They can take any power tube
-   The clips sound awesome. Even the ones with rubbish camera mics placed randomly sound great. The chimera sounds most to me like channel 3 of a VH4, actually, but….not: its got a throaty, vicious snarl, punishing, tight low end and high attack to it but is still organic, unlike the VH4 (from the clips, of course) and sounds like it can be dialled in to have much more chime and shimmer if you want it to (as some have it and some don’t). It doesn’t sound anything like a marshall to me. The polaris is moderately JCM800 territory, though, from the clips. I think even the gryphon steps outside marshall levels of metal (save maybe the JVM).
-   Doesn’t cost the earth (to me at least; in keeping with the thread, 2k is an amount I’m happy to pay for an amp that I really like, I just can't really know that I like it unless I’ve played through it!)

Martin, the idea of a custom build metal amp that I can help design (or at least bitch and whine about the sound until its changed to such a point that I like it) is very appealing indeed, but I’m not sure we’re on the same page here – I’m talking about a metal amp; something I gather you’re dead set against building? If that’s not the case, and if you aren’t kidding about it being an iterative job with tuning to my tastes, then I’d be interested in that yes and may have to have a word with you. But you should know that I don’t like marshalls :lol: ;)
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Re: Is £2000 for an amp "painfully expensive"?
« Reply #147 on: September 07, 2009, 02:00:13 PM »
Give him a call mate, and have a chat with him.  I'm sure he could come up with something that would suit you.

I think the previous comments about no high gain were that he wasn't going to sit in a corner and design something for a standard model.  A specifc custom build for a customer is something different  ;)

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Re: Is £2000 for an amp "painfully expensive"?
« Reply #148 on: September 07, 2009, 02:11:58 PM »
When I requested this several months ago I was firmly told by both you and Martin that he wouldn't be doing high gain... ever!  8)

Not true!  :lol: Here's what I said:
"To respond to the point about brootalz, I currently have no interest in doing an amp with that level of distortion for the simple reasons that (i) the advantages of handwired, turret board construction are less apparent with that much tonal mayhem and (ii) no-one has given me a deposit for one!"

That's not never!  :P
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Re: Is £2000 for an amp "painfully expensive"?
« Reply #149 on: September 07, 2009, 02:19:38 PM »
Martin, the idea of a custom build metal amp that I can help design (or at least bitch and whine about the sound until its changed to such a point that I like it) is very appealing indeed, but I’m not sure we’re on the same page here – I’m talking about a metal amp; something I gather you’re dead set against building? If that’s not the case, and if you aren’t kidding about it being an iterative job with tuning to my tastes, then I’d be interested in that yes and may have to have a word with you. But you should know that I don’t like marshalls :lol: ;)


Yes, I'm now interested in this. I've been honing down my standard higher gain stuff recently (including  Goldstar and Roadstar TT's and Orions), so I'm keen now to move into this area. I've previously been reluctant (not dead-set  :) ) mainly because of the R&D involved, which costs money. If, however, the price is right, there's no obstacle.
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