The Shadows - Apache Revelation

[Afghan Dave]

OH.... MY... GOD!!!!! PDT_044

I've just had SO much fun attempting to play it...

It is one of those songs I've always known but avoided ever trying to play perhaps in some sad attempt to BE COOL... "I need distortion to rock"

Well, I dunno if this is the start of me listening to Radio 2, wearing slippers all day & signing off as Annoyed of Tunbridge Wells but..

Trying to get it sounding right and playing with feeling is proper FUN.

I've been hammering away at loads of tuition DVDs with alternate picking exercises and sweeps & getting more removed from any joy in the guitar.

This had really put that JOY back and a smile on my face.

I once read a letter in Guitarist challenging any "BROOTALZ" players to give it a go.. Well, I second that now.

(I'm not gonna buy a fiesta red strat quite yet... maybe Sea Foam Green) PDT_005

[AndyR]

It's great innit :D

There's another one I really love, not sure of matching the title to the tune though - I think it's Atlantis.

I do have the Fiesta Red strat, but I've screwed the bridge flat, so I can't do the true Hank thing :lol:

Funnily enough I only learnt how to do it properly (and sound like Blackmore, coincidentally) when I broke my right arm a few years back, and I wasn't able to do palm-muting for months. I had to completely relearn how to play - and I ended up sounding like Hank Marvin!! :lol:

[38thBeatle]

It is amazingly hard to get right. Hank is a great player.

[Afghan Dave]

It is amazingly hard to get right. Hank is a great player.

That's the important thing. If more people who cover their sound in distortion tried it I think they might get a big wake up call.

There isn't anywhere to hide. :D

[il˙ti]

Hank is the man. Back when I took guitar lessons, my teacher would pick out a Shadows tune every now and then and eventually I just got burnt out on it but I do appreciate tunes, especially for the time they were written. It's hard to think of a pop guitarist in those days that could touch Hank's playing. I really like Wonderful Land.

[dave_mc]

i always mean to learn some shadows songs, but never get round to it. I always kind of liked them... :lol:

[AndyR]

I saw him on a children's program years ago.

He was showing his playing and stuff. I can't remember whether he was talking to a single interviewer or whether there was a bunch of kids asking questions as well.

Anyway, he was demonstrating what electric guitars could do - and the "Hank" stuff was all there. Then he talked about distorted sounds. He went, "yes, I can do all that...", proceeded to step on a stomp box and went mental :lol: Pinches, tapping, dive bombing, he was METAL-Hank :lol:

But then he turned it off, "It's quite fun, but I can't really use it, it doesn't sound like Hank Marvin, people expect me to sound like..." etc...

He's a superb musician.

[38thBeatle]

I've heard that from guys that know him.They say that he is an amazing player and can rip it up with the best of them.  I think that there is a perception that the Shadows stuff is easy but anyone who tries to learn a Shads song soon learns that the control and dynamics are crucial. I am not a fan particularly but I respect him a great deal having sat down to learn some of his stuff.

[Dmoney]

Apache.
one origin of hip hop.

[Twinfan]

If more people who cover their sound in distortion tried it I think they might get a big wake up call.

There isn't anywhere to hide. :D

Very VERY true.  Playing clean-ish to crunchy-ish leaves you wide open.  Try to get some Black Crowes stuff right and you'll see what I mean...

[Dmoney]

If more people who cover their sound in distortion tried it I think they might get a big wake up call.

There isn't anywhere to hide. :D

Very VERY true.  Playing clean-ish to crunchy-ish leaves you wide open.  Try to get some Black Crowes stuff right and you'll see what I mean...

not disputing what you're saying, cos its true... but i also think even when cretain really good players try to play some basic higher gain stuff (maybe not over the top saturated), tough sounding groovy chord progressions for example, its sounds very very wrong. horses for courses. I dont think its THAT right to say playing high gain hides you behind distortion.

[Plexi Ken]

Apache.
one origin of hip hop.

I think it was Afrika Bambaataa who said it was the National Anthem of Hip Hop. Though I suspect he was talking about Sugar Hill Bang's 'Jump on it (Apache)' which sampled Incredible Bongo Band's version, not Hank's.

[Twinfan]

not disputing what you're saying, cos its true... but i also think even when cretain really good players try to play some basic higher gain stuff (maybe not over the top saturated), tough sounding groovy chord progressions for example, its sounds very very wrong. horses for courses. I dont think its THAT right to say playing high gain hides you behind distortion.

I agree, but distortion can hide a multitude of sins and it has a flattering effect to the average player.

[Dmoney]

Apache.
one origin of hip hop.

I think it was Afrika Bambaataa who said it was the National Anthem of Hip Hop. Though I suspect he was talking about Sugar Hill Bang's 'Jump on it (Apache)' which sampled Incredible Bongo Band's version, not Hank's.

I think he had the bongo band record and new the origin. There was a big culture of listening to anything and everything,  pulling out wild instrumental parts from all kinds of records and keeping them secret from other DJ's.
so what if it wasn't hank's version...

[Dmoney]

not disputing what you're saying, cos its true... but i also think even when cretain really good players try to play some basic higher gain stuff (maybe not over the top saturated), tough sounding groovy chord progressions for example, its sounds very very wrong. horses for courses. I dont think its THAT right to say playing high gain hides you behind distortion.

I agree, but distortion can hide a multitude of sins and it has a flattering effect to the average player.

true... we've all seen herman lee videos.
still... i dont really see that much of a comparison... i mean, you can say 'hides multitude of sins' etc... but I wouldn't ever think to myself, I should play this part clean so people can tell im always in key and my picking is both textual and acurate. I love my sins.