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modifications - why?
« on: September 12, 2009, 11:35:59 AM »
i was watching 'the fast and the furious' series recently. when i was a teenager with my first car, i was all into the idea of tuning and so on, but it wasn't realistic due to the insurance costs. and having lived in town for years, i rarely drive (just once every few years i hire a car for holiday or whatever) and hardly care about a fancy car anymore - though i would like a bike.

looking round on the net theres communities for modifying cars, computers, motorbikes, push bikes, guitars and many other things. its not always the case, but the majority of modifiers are guys - i suppose its our geekish side ;)

anyway, i was sort of thinking why we do these things. looking at the car world, some people are into modding for the look, performance, even fuel economy.

and some of us want a old vintage sound, a shred-tastic 80s metal machine, or a modern djent tone or whatever. and many of us make mods for the look.. or even build guitars from parts, or taking it even further - bits of tree ;)

i was thinking why we mod..

because we want something personal and unique
we want something thats not provided by a mainstream manufacturer
we like messing round with routers and soldering irons
like our instrument but want more of it - better sound and playability
we want the satisfaction of something we built or modded being better value than some retail guitar
want to recreate another instrument - a star guitar or old vintage
experimentation - how would a strat be with p90s or whatever (i'd like to try a V with filterons)

when i buy a guitar i almost always have mods in mind before i lay my money on the table

the only guitar i haven't carried out more extensive mods (like pickups) to is my '84 V (this just has strap locks) though it has scratchy pots, and i will probably change those and put a sprague in at the same time - just because its easy to do so.

what do people think about all this? i mentioned some things in this post - but they are 'excuses' really and i know it ;) WHY do we mod?
« Last Edit: September 12, 2009, 11:44:11 AM by gwEm »
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Re: modifications - why?
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2009, 11:41:52 AM »
i was happy with the sound of my first Epiphone V, never thought of doing mods on the sound. i fitted string saver saddles though, because i was always snapping strings

then i got a Steinberger GP, and immediately hated the sound of EMG Selects in it. I fitted Dimarzio Super Distortions to it, and never looked back - that was my first mod. The Dimarzios were pretty good, really good in fact, but were never quite there, I was always messing round with the wiring options. had them in parallel for a while..
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Re: modifications - why?
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2009, 12:44:33 PM »
It's a really good question, and I'm not sure there's a "simple" answer really, but if there is, for me it's that we're all creative beings at heart (all of us humans). Every single one of us "creates" in some way or other. If you give us a "thing" that can be "improved" or "personalised", that's what we'll do to it eventually - and when we do it, we're "making" something "better".

If you'd just talked guitars, I wouldn't have jumped to this "generic" conclusion/suggestion. It's when you brought in the cars etc... Not everyone feels the need to mod their guitars, or all of their guitars, but I'd be surprised if they weren't modifying something.

If we're talking guitars, the first mod I can remember doing (or having done for me, actually) was my JV strat the minute I got it - replaced the 3-way switch with a 5-way, and converted it to master tone. Both of those mods were to make it easier/better to use - I think that's what drives/motivates most mods? In that case it actually achieved the object, but it doesn't always work out that way :lol:. Although I didn't do it myself in that case, I made the decision and paid someone to do it, and I "made" my guitar better for me personally.

I've noticed several times that there's a sizable proportion of us who bemoan the fact that you can't seem to get the guitar you want "off the shelf" - the right neck profile with the wrong radius, for example. And so we start tinkering, getting replacement bits, etc. Once you've started tinkering, and creating your own thing, you're still likely to say "why can't I get one off-the-shelf?" but I'm not sure we'd be happy even if we could!! :lol:

Oh yeah, nearly forgot, boys v girls. I think it's just a matter of what aspect they focus on.

As far as I can make out, boys, in general, seem to like "tools" that do jobs (I mean the guitar or car or bike, etc, as well as the tools that you use to work on them), and that's what we get drawn to - we still like the jobs we're doing with the tools, but we seem to take pleasure in a good piece of kit at the same time as using it for the job.

Girls, on the other hand, again in general, although they appreciate a good tool for the job, once they've got it, seem to focus more on enjoying the job.

I'm gazing lovingly at a guitar at the moment, just cos it is a guitar, and it's mine, and I know what it does, how I set it up, and how to use it... and it's damn pretty :D, I'm also wondering if there's anything I could do to make it even better/prettier... but I'm not actually using it at the moment, I'm typing this... I think my missus, while she would do something like this sometimes, is far less likely to do it as much as I do. If she played, she'd be far more likely to use the guitar rather than just gaze at it and fiddle with it and type about it :lol:

Different example: we've both got quite nice fountain pens - I bought hers, her family bought mine. I do actually use mine a lot more than she does hers, but taking that aside, to me, my pen is a thing of beauty in its own right, to be lovingly serviced and cleaned, to be balanced in my hand, no-one else is allowed to write with it, etc, etc... to her, her pen looks nice, feels comfortable, and she uses it to write with as long as it works when she picks it up... to me it's a pen (sigh...), to her it's a pen.

We're not actually a lot different, we both value our pens, but if there was web forum on dicking about with pens, you'd be more likely to find me on it than you would her :lol:
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Re: modifications - why?
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2009, 01:12:41 PM »
Because we can do it?
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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2009, 03:20:14 PM »
I once read or heard somewhere the visual modding thing is about creating a reason for people to talk to you, similar in how people customise their work desk to give other people something to talk to them about

something to be said for people wanting a one of a kind car rather than something exactly the same as what a million other people in the world have

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Re: modifications - why?
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2009, 03:45:15 PM »
i think males have a greater predisposition towards obsessive behaviour.  not in the flicking a light switch/washing your hands OCD way, more in the specialist subject/hobby way.

i feel like mentioning the higher levels of autistic spectrum behaviours in males becaus ei think its connected to this issue. its about a 10 to 1 male to female ratio in the school aged Autistic spectrum disorder children.  its also been suggested that male intelligence works in a very autistic way. whilst its worth noting tremendous varitaion in people with ASD's one of the key signs to look for is a fixation on certain subjects.  

males get fixated on subjects, be it cars, pens or guitars.  first you learn all about how it works, then you start looking into how to make it better.   

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Re: modifications - why?
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2009, 04:17:49 PM »
Let me attempt to explain our male attributes in terms even a woman could understand:
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Re: modifications - why?
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2009, 05:26:48 PM »
I just like the engine of a car, I'd modify the engine but not look like an utter tw@t with bodykit and what not.

But if I did have a car the activity I'd do most would be probably washing it.
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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2009, 05:39:25 PM »
But if I did have a car the activity I'd do most would be probably washing it.

Not quite...

The activity you do most is give Gordon Brown even more tax money   :shock:
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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2009, 05:42:09 PM »
For me, its because no stock guitar (or bike) has the right parts for me/my personal preference.

Couldnt give a shite about modding my car, its just something to get from A to B in! Would be nice to have it more efficient though.
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Re: modifications - why?
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2009, 05:50:04 PM »
But if I did have a car the activity I'd do most would be probably washing it.

Not quite...

The activity you do most is give Gordon Brown even more tax money   :shock:

Ah yeah, I was thinking happy thoughts but that is the ultimate thing.
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« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2009, 06:08:20 PM »
because we want something personal and unique
we want something thats not provided by a mainstream manufacturer

like our instrument but want more of it - better sound and playability

same with cars. though, i dont like modding for the looks.. i think it's ridiculously ugly. unless it's something more discrete.. like a stock body kit on a R34 Skyline Nür .. or, it really works with the style. but not the usual 'tuner kiddies' that just put ridiculous sideskirts, bonnets and spoilets on their lil saxo or clio.. ugh.. i like the internal tuning. engine remaping, turbo tuning etc etc.. the behind the scenes stuff, when at the lights you make a guy with a 911 think.. what the $%&# is wrong with my car today.. it's not going anywhere :D (and you're laughing your ass off in a tuned Megane R26)

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Re: modifications - why?
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2009, 06:25:42 PM »
I think it's personalisation mostly.

And there's some satisfaction in improving something or creating something.

It's not that far off from the tuning, hot rodding, biking scene.
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« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2009, 07:16:52 PM »
When I buy a guitar, I know what mods I'll do to it before I hand the cash over.

Part of it is I'm at a point where the guitar must have certain features and I'm not willing to have my guitar choice made smaller because of that! If I buy a guitar with a gloss neck, you can guarantee I'll steel wool it when it gets home and have a treble bleed fitted for example. I'm extremely picky about who does the work and the quality though.

As my gear gets more expensive, modding it can be confirmation that I'm not turning into a w**ker that spends loads of money on gear and is afraid to really use it because I've put it on a pedestal. The downside ofc is you lose some resale money.

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Re: modifications - why?
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2009, 07:39:25 PM »
I dunno if it's been mentioned already or not (I skimmed through the thread instead of reading every word) but I think alot of modding, be it cars or guitars etc is down to a 'can I make it better?' outlook.

I'll use myself as an example;

I've been driving for just under 3 years and until February of this year the only car I'd ever owned was an R Reg Vauxhall Astra hatchback with a 1.4L engine and about 70 (if that) BHP. Now, it was never the prettiest looking car and it took forever to get upto motorway speeds but it was VERY reliable and got me from A to B so aside from putting a CD player in it instead of the cr@ppy cassette radio it came with, it was enough for me as I knew it couldn't be made any better.

I replaced it in February this year as it'd come to a point where it would need a new exhaust to get through an MOT, which would cost more than the car was worth, with a 54 reg Ford Focus ST170 hatchback; 2L engine, 170 (manufacturer claimed atleast) BHP, so alot better performance wise than my Astra.

It's only 6 months or so since I got it and I've already started looking at ECU Remapping, Chip Tuning, Engine Upgrades etc to get more out of the car as I 'think' it has more to give. It's something I never would have even considered with my Astra as I know there was no point trying to polish a turd so to speak.

Not entirely sure my waffling on has made sense or not  :lol:
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