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« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2005, 05:06:45 PM »
now that looks nice!
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« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2005, 05:10:25 PM »
Very nice axe  :twisted:  :twisted:
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« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2005, 05:55:47 PM »
That's very nice. Gorgeous flame top. The see thru pickguard really makes the guitar stand out from the crowd.
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« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2005, 06:48:36 PM »
i love the wood! shame about the pickguard... - seeing the electronics spoils the "organic" look of the natural coloured maple IMO. I'd have a wooden pickguard (rosewood)
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« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2005, 07:32:15 PM »
andy, how much did it cost you all in all to do that beautiful axe? How do you rate it?
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« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2005, 07:54:17 PM »
The body and neck, neckplate, tuners, screws, etc,  came to $666 (I thought this was a good sign..haha) inc shipping, which was £375, import tax was an additional £80.  I would say in total around £750/£800 to build. The custom made pickguard wasn't cheap, nor was the original floyd trem. I originally ordered the build with a Laminate top basswood body, but it sounded reall muddy, so I sold that body to a friend of mine and ordered an Alder with wild maple laminate which is pictured, and sounds much better. The body has 4 thin coats of clear laquer to seal, then wire wooled flat for a matt appearance. I didn't want to kill the tone with loads of finish. I changed a couple of pickups too before I was happy. The neck has an oil rubbed finish and plays great. I built it as a road dog to save my main guitars, but this turned into my main guitar. You can't buy a guitar like it off the peg, and it does everything I want out of a guitar. Not everyones cup of tea, but I built it to be functional, not look like a piece of furniture.
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« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2005, 08:26:40 PM »
Did you finish it yourself or did you have a luthier help you out? If you did it yourself are you experienced at doing that sort of thing or was it trial and error? Any tips?
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« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2005, 09:32:04 PM »
I had a friend of mine wire the pickguard for me, the rest I put together myself. It went together pretty well really. You just gotta take your time and make sure everythings bolted on straight or in place before you start hammering or drilling away. The neck was really good to start with and didn't need any fret dressing or anything. Just a quick fret polish was enough. I wanted the trem to sit flush to the body with no recess. This was the only headache part I encountered really. I had to make a shim to pack the trem a little as it was sitting too far back, and the neck pocket needed a little packing too. Other than that, it was just settling the neck in and tweaking the truss rod and giving it a final setup. I'd go ahead and build one. It's a good learning curve. I actually ordered a duplicate guitar from Warmoth, but they had some problems with the order and lost it. I couldn't wait any longer so I eventually cancelled it. The only negative encounter with Warmoth I had.
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« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2005, 09:34:44 PM »
....and no, this was my first build. Before this my experience was changing strings and tweaking the truss rod now and then. Give me a screwdriver and I'll poke my eye out!!
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« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2005, 10:51:19 PM »
:D That does look cool !!!

Is it a bolt on or glued neck ?

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« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2005, 11:09:46 PM »
£375 to ship a guitar?  :o  thats mental. I ordered a bass from www.music123.com and it was shipped flawlessly to me within a week for £30!
I want to build a strat more and more everyone posts theirs on here dammit!
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« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2005, 11:55:46 PM »
i think he means "the neck body etc and shipping came to $666, which correlates to your english money as £375"
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« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2005, 06:54:13 AM »
My shipping came to $70 or so, so it's not that bad. It's VAT and customs that gets you I guess, but even then it's not as much as I first thought.

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« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2005, 04:01:25 PM »
Hi guys,

My name's Dan and i've been learning from this forum for a while now, but i feel that given my experience in this matter, now is the time to compose my first post.  Please bear with me because it's turned into a bit of a monster.

I'm into project guitars in a big way.  I've ordered parts for no fewer than 4 guitars from warmoth, and although the first two projects came out great, their quality of service has gone to ground within the last few years.  Whereas i used to recieve full, comprehensive answers from their sales staff, my last two orders left a bitter taste in my mouth.  My inquiries were answered with short (sometimes insultingly so) responses, and when everything arrived at my door, it became apparent that many mistakes had been made.  At risk of sounding like a moaner, these were the specific problem areas:

The neck pocket on a jazz bass body was too small (or the heel of the neck too big), and after sufficient sanding to ensure a tight fit, the paint around the neck pocket was left brittle and unprotected, and inevitably chipped away.  I think either the body or neck (or both) were finished far too thickly.  Both the neck and the body were supplied and finished by warmoth.

On the other guitar, in this case an expensive "VIP" model (PRS style carvetop) they hadn't routed the neccessary angle in the neck pocket, despite the fact that i'd specified and paid for the work to be done.  As a result, the TOM bridge was unuseable until I shimmed the neck to fit (which took me ages).

On the same guitar, warmoth had incorrectly routed the tuner ream, and I had to bore it out myself with a pillar drill, scratching the headstock - again, this was particularly specified in my order form, and the tuners were supplied by warmoth.  Neither of the necks were fretted tidily and both required a professional fret level after construction.

Aside from the mistakes that were made, there are some aspects of the standard "warmoth pro" neck's design which are less than favourable from a tonal standpoint (although, obviously, tonal considerations are relative).  I've found the double action trussrod to have a detrimental effect on the instruments tonality and balance, given its weight, and i've found that my projects with the double truss rod have fared worse as a result of environmental factors than a standard single action rod.  With a single rod, you remove excess weight and end up with a lighter, more resonant neck as a result.  Also, you should be aware that all warmoth necks have an unusually thick fretboard.

Another word of caution - if you appreciate tone, do not buy pre finished solid colour bodies from warmoth's showcase, since many are made from unacceptably many pieces of wood and they will DRAIN YOUR TONE!!

My reccomendation is that you check out  www.usacustomguitars.com for your body and neck.  They route their pieces precisely and use select tonewoods - you can even specify the weight of the body, how many pieces it's constructed of, where the joins are...  and their customer support is second to none.  Send Tommy of USACG an email and you can expect a full response the next working day, written with enthusiasm for your needs and your project.  Some of their prices are slightly above what warmoth charges, but with these necks you get your choice of any straight fretboard radius (or a choice of either a 7" - 9" or 10" - 16" compound), any nut width, routed for any bridge and, best of all, complete choice of backshapes and no upcharge!  In addition, if anybody has any questions related to project guitars, please drop in to USA custom gate at http://pub123.ezboard.com/fguitarsbyfenderfrm20

I want to make it clear that I am not in any way affiliated with USACG... Just a fan and a contributing member to their forum.  I actually had some great warmoth projects, and the quality is good if they get it all right.  I'm also a BKP fan:  my Brown Sugar tele set blew me away and i have high expectations for a set of apaches i have, soon to be in a new USA custom guitar.  I'll be sure to post pics when it's all done.

Sorry for the length of this post, and thanks for reading if you've got thus far!  Cheers,

Dan