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Re: Help me out with an idea.
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2009, 01:16:06 PM »
Didn't think about the Kahler, I'd go for that.
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Re: Help me out with an idea.
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2009, 02:55:36 PM »
+1 for the Kahler.

The floyd rose tremolo may not be easy to drop because of the string spacing and wood removal/varnish fix. It's a work for a new guitar. I don't like Gibson neck in general for the style of shred where this kind of tremelo may be required but you can find some LesPaul-like guitar with a Floyd Rose: some great ESP Eclipse for example (very nice neck).

I got a not-so-good-but-do-the-rehearsal-job Agile AL-2000 Floyd Rose (with C-Nailbomb bridge pup): it doesn't look bad with its 24 frets (IMO). Actually the first Floyd-rose'd guitars were Gibson LPs  :D


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Re: Help me out with an idea.
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2009, 06:01:08 PM »
another Kahler vote - I'm sure theres a model that doesn't require any routing and is meant for stop-bar guitars such as Gibsons.  I'm (still) wanting to do this to my Explorer, but I'd imagine it'd work just as well on a Les Paul.

heres one on ebay with the trem I'm talking about, looks nice actually (not weird like a Floyd)...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1986-Gibson-Les-Paul-CUSTOM-USA-with-Kahler-Tremolo_W0QQitemZ220493328243QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item33566d2f73&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_11288wt_1165

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Re: Help me out with an idea.
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2009, 06:13:26 PM »
another Kahler vote - I'm sure theres a model that doesn't require any routing and is meant for stop-bar guitars such as Gibsons.  I'm (still) wanting to do this to my Explorer, but I'd imagine it'd work just as well on a Les Paul.

heres one on ebay with the trem I'm talking about, looks nice actually (not weird like a Floyd)...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1986-Gibson-Les-Paul-CUSTOM-USA-with-Kahler-Tremolo_W0QQitemZ220493328243QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item33566d2f73&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_11288wt_1165

It looks great, but it does require body routing - there's a cavity about two inches square and an inch deep under the bridge, to accommodate the springs and cam.
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Re: Help me out with an idea.
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2009, 06:24:35 PM »
Personally I'm not a Kahler fan - find them too light and often rob a lot of tone and sustain from a guitar IMO

Biggest problem with a Floyd onan LP is the huge wiring run channel that runs deep in the body from toggle switch to control cavity - it's right where you want to put the springs
Obviously Gibson have gotten round this with the Access and Schon models

We have done it before built from scratch - we simply designed a different wire run to avoid getting the springs and cables needing the same chamber
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Re: Help me out with an idea.
« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2009, 06:30:38 PM »
thats nice
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Re: Help me out with an idea.
« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2009, 06:53:18 PM »
Personally I'm not a Kahler fan - find them too light and often rob a lot of tone and sustain from a guitar IMO
Isn't light good? And does it take a lot of tone cause it's a big block?
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Re: Help me out with an idea.
« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2009, 08:34:43 PM »
it took me some time to adjust to the kahler because they are a much lighter feel compared to fighting the springs on a floyd... but to be honest i think thats the best feature now - it certainly allows a lot of control

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Re: Help me out with an idea.
« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2009, 10:54:05 PM »
With the hardware that comes with a Kahler it will have a much lighter tremolo response than a Floyd.  But if you want it to respond more like an original FR bridge you can order some harder tension springs from Kahler to use with it.  As far as the tone lost....we can debate different bridges and tone all day long.  ANY tremolo that replaces a hardtail system will affect the tone and sustain.  Just as any amount of wood removed will have an impact as well.
The Kahler Hybrids DO beat out the Floyd Rose in two categories:
1) You can palm mute and play more normally without pitch issues, and double stop bends only cause a small amount of pitch movement on the bridge--more like the way a strat tremolo would respond.
2)You can lock down the Kahler with a little set screw in the back of the bridge so it can function as a hardtail.


The wood removed is very small compared to the big hole you need for a floyd.

I still say that for a regular-style Les Paul (i.e. anything other than a Schon or Axcess) your best bet is the Kahler over the Floyd.   


If the sustain becomes an issue, then just drop a Sustainiac in the neck and  you can have killer singing leads all day long :)

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Re: Help me out with an idea.
« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2009, 09:47:38 AM »
If you really want a Floyd-equipped Gibson-made Lester, Gibson made something like "Custom Lite" in the 1980s that will fit the bill. Sort of a Les Paul melded with a shredder guitar.

They didn't make many, but I think you can get one for reasonable money as they didn't satisfy the shredders or the Gibson traditionalists.

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Re: Help me out with an idea.
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2009, 12:10:17 PM »
A Floyd Rose on a Les Paul is just wrong.

Just my words. Why go ruin the beauty of a les paul with a floyd rose?
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Re: Help me out with an idea.
« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2009, 05:51:56 PM »
A Floyd Rose on a Les Paul is just wrong.

Just my words. Why go ruin the beauty of a les paul with a floyd rose?

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Re: Help me out with an idea.
« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2009, 06:08:00 PM »
I agree.
For those who dont like the idea of a Les Paul with a floating tremolo...dont buy one!

Gibson makes their VOS series for a good reason.   Don't get me wrong...I OWN a VOS '57 and love it.  But different isn't bad. 
If they had replaced '59 reissues with Axcess LP's then I could understand it....


Hell, the Les Paul was intended to be a jazz guitar.  Is it blasphemous to play rock and roll on it?

To each their own.

If you hate Floyds...Fine.

If you love Floyds...Fine.