Problems at Gibson?

[MDV]

Ive heard peavey are taking gibson over twice now!

From you two.

[Dmoney]

i read a thing online from the CEO saying it was all lies about Peavey and the same rumours have been going round for 20 years or whatever with subtle differences.

lets start a rumour that they are going to get bought out by rhythm in jump dancing close to you

[Afghan Dave]

lets start a rumour that they are going to get bought out by rhythm in jump dancing close to you

I think Devries Custom Guitars & Gibson would be a quality control match made in heaven!

[MDV]

:lol:

[Antag]

I can say this: Fender is the best thing that ever happened to Gretsch.

Going off-topic slightly, but they were a disaster for Jackson...

Really? Since Fender took over there's been alot more promotion for Jackson and more models. Not particularly great for the old endorsees but they have put out some great stuff.

OK, perhaps "disaster" is a little harsh, but they did change the priorities in the factory & stopped them offering some popular options for custom orders:

I believe the jackson custom models have been constrained somewhat. Dont know the details.

Yeah I know they put some limits, like no gibson shapes, no replica's of current or previous endorsees guitars. Does suck, but I'm never going to order a custom from them any way (too much money and WAY too long to wait for it to be done).

The emphasis in the US factory shifted from the custom models to the production models.  Where they used to make the custom orders then as many models with standardized spec as capacity allowed, they began grinding out 150 "production" guitars a month then getting the to custom orders in dribs & drabs.

I bought a custom pre-fender which took 8 months end to end.  I had one on order as Fender took over & waited 15 months for it.  I did not order another.

Seeing as they already had my money (50% of the price of the guitar) for the custom, but had to sell the production models, I think that sucks.  When someone comes along & hands you money, it pays to treat that customer well - they will probably come back for more.  Besides, the custom shop is what made Jackson.

Also, Fender stopped them offering "Gibson" shapes - Flying V & Firebird, even though they had Jackson headstocks & were hardly Gibson clones.  I happened to really like Jackson's Flying V shape.

Despite all this it's actually no easier to get a production model than it used to be.  You still have to trawl around & if you can't find somone with the model you want with the colour you want in stock, then backorders take just as long as they ever did.

I just don't think the ability to get the Phil Collen model with a strat headstock (or the new Adrian Smith sig) was a price worth paying...

[CUBE]

 I heard PRS was calling dealers asking them for orders to help them out this month ...perhaps they should not have opened and amp division and acoustic division during a recession ..my guess is PRS is in worse shape than Gibson or fender

[HTH AMPS]

Gibson seem to have too many models imo and the spec of what you can have seems to change all the time.  Lets abide by the KISS rule:

* a standard and junior version of each model, like back in the old days.

Do we really want anything more from Gibson than Les Pauls, SGs, Firebirds, Explorers, 335s and Flying Vees????

[MDV]

Gibson seem to have too many models imo and the spec of what you can have seems to change all the time.  Lets abide by the KISS rule:

* a standard and junior version of each model, like back in the old days.

Do we really want anything more from Gibson than Les Pauls, SGs, Firebirds, Explorers, 335s and Flying Vees????

Yeah,

I want someone on the design team to drink half a bottle of jack daniels and take a router to two of those and make a holy version.

maybe thats the problem. Gibson are too close to jack daniels HQ. Maybe Gibson have been paying for JD in guitars and now they're all hooked. It would explain a lot.

[Will]

Junior, Standard, and Custom models would suite better. Some people like the touch of the ebony board and extra binding, and I think its missing from some models?

And I am sure that there are LOADS of people out there who want to buy a Gibson hard disk drive, or fridge :P

[Twinfan]

I heard PRS was calling dealers asking them for orders to help them out this month ...perhaps they should not have opened and amp division and acoustic division during a recession ..my guess is PRS is in worse shape than Gibson or fender

As a smaller company, I think PRS can cope with fluctuating markets better.  Their product line is being completely re-vamped this year, for better or worse, so they're creating new demand with cunning new models - 25th Anniversary models, limited editions of good specs etc.  There are still some howlers there though, but having Paul steer the company with his passion for guitars really helps.

Gibson seem to be producing guitars that nobody really wants (reverse V, holy explorer, zoot SG etc) and they have investors to please - if they fail, which they seem to be doing, the money guys will pull the plug...

[gwEm]

the reverse v turned out to be very popular, apparently.

its good to innovate with new models/versions, but they are having some silly ideas these days. in the 80s they did '90' versions of the V, SG and Explorer which turned out to be rather cool.

gibson's faded series likely inspired the fender roadworn to be fair

[Twinfan]

I don't see the link between the Faded Gibsons (less buffing and finishing, throw them out the door cheap) and Roadworns (templates used for relicing).  Fadeds were designed to be cheaper to produce and priced accordingly, Road Worns to be a more affordable relic option with an upcharge over a stock Mex model.

Chalk and cheese in my opinion.

[gwEm]

I don't see the link between the Faded Gibsons (less buffing and finishing, throw them out the door cheap) and Roadworns (templates used for relicing).  Fadeds were designed to be cheaper to produce and priced accordingly, Road Worns to be a more affordable relic option with an upcharge over a stock Mex model.

Chalk and cheese in my opinion.

some of the faded series have a bit of relicing going on

[gingataff]

I don't see the link between the Faded Gibsons (less buffing and finishing, throw them out the door cheap) and Roadworns (templates used for relicing).  Fadeds were designed to be cheaper to produce and priced accordingly, Road Worns to be a more affordable relic option with an upcharge over a stock Mex model.

Chalk and cheese in my opinion.

some of the faded series have a bit of relicing going on

presumably from the factory workers during set-up.

[MDV]

I don't see the link between the Faded Gibsons (less buffing and finishing, throw them out the door cheap) and Roadworns (templates used for relicing).  Fadeds were designed to be cheaper to produce and priced accordingly, Road Worns to be a more affordable relic option with an upcharge over a stock Mex model.

Chalk and cheese in my opinion.

some of the faded series have a bit of relicing going on

Some of the standards have a bit of relicing going on ;)