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Gizmo

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Laptops + connections
« on: December 01, 2009, 12:42:44 PM »
Hi all,

I'm looking to get a new laptop.

Do pretty much all new laptops have enough power to cope with guitar software? Im completely new to recording sortware so not sure how much to spend on a laptop. They all seam to have 2-4gb of ram etc.

I also was keen on Apple MBP's but they are so expensive for what they are. The same spec Dell is £500+ cheaper.  Is Apple OS that much better?

Also since they dont have high quality sound cards, do i need a extrernal device to improve sound quality and what would you recommend if I do?

I have decent grado headphones and graham slee novo headphone amp so want to ensure the quality to them is high both for itunes/mp3's, movies and any recording/guitar plug ins i get.

Any advice appreciated.

Thanks

jibidy

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Re: Laptops + connections
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2009, 07:55:45 PM »
I know that you can get great Laptops for around 500 with a great spec but if money is not a problem I would recommend mac over windows every time because it just is better.

My friend just bought a dell for £500 and its probably the nicest non-mac laptop I have seen for a while I think it was one of these.

http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/home/Laptops/laptop_studio/ct.aspx?refid=laptop_studio&cs=ukdhs1&s=dhs

However give it 6 months or so and almost any mac will run better than this kind of laptop.

Its not just mac OS that is great its the look of it and the customer service is great, but mac OS is amazing.

if you plan on using it for internet as well then mac hands down the better choice.

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Re: Laptops + connections
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2009, 08:22:48 PM »
Yeah I use Guitar Pro and my laptop lasts a while, mine's a Dell aswell.
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Re: Laptops + connections
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2009, 09:51:06 AM »
As fun and easy as a laptop sounds, I'd highly recommend getting a normal desktop. A desktop for the same money will have a lot better stats. Will you be recording a lot on the move? Also it's a lot easier to upgrade specific component in a desktop than in a laptop. Another point is monitors. When I am producing I use 2 or 3 (24") monitors, just go have an efficient workflow. On a laptop this will be more difficult, since laptop monitors are small (if they have big monitors they are usually heavy as hell, and the standard max is around 19" I think) and it works better to have the monitors in the same size.

Basic guitar software will be no problem with a normal laptop, but if you want to get into serious recording/producing, you will need some serious PC power. 1 track is not a problem, but when you have 10+ tracks going at the same time, it will be heavy for your PC (especially if you use VSTs). I have a quad core with 4GB and still it doesn't run as good as I'd want it to. 4GB ram (or 3.2/3.4 I think) is the max used by 32bit Operating Systems.

You will need a new soundcard regardless. I have yet to see a stock PC with a soundcard that is acceptable for good studio work. I have a firewire audio interface and I think most people do (you do have some PCI-E interfaces, but that will do you no good with a laptop). IF you decide on a laptop, be sure it has firewire ports. A good soundcard will set you back AT LEAST $150-200. Some will say 'yeah, well my $50 Creative works fine!', but believe me a good soundcard is essential to any digital studio. A good entry level 'pro' card is the t.c. electronics desktop connect 6 (firewire).

MAC is pretty much the standard in the professional industry, though Windows will work as well. It also depends on which software package you intend on using (for example FL Studio isn't available for MAC). Some software packages also run more efficiently on a 2 core processor (or not significantly better on a more expensive 4 core), so you'd need to make sure the PC you purchase is optimal for your needs.

Crux: will you be moving your PC around? If not, get a desktop. Also look into which program you will be using and which PC/OS is best for it. And get a good soundcard.


Edit: just noticed your headphones comment. Grado is a good brand. But, if you want to produce properly you will need studio speakers. I've done many tests in this field, since I wanted to solely use headphones at first, but headphones colour the sound. Since you're recording guitar I presume they are closed cans, but that also means you lose the eagle eye view of the sound (the sound waves are confined/obstructed by the casing obviously) - (semi)-open ones are slightly better, but still not optimal. Speakers will put the whole thing into the right perspective. Don't get me wrong though, cans can work to do a degree. But to do proper recordings you will need studio speakers.

Sorry for the long monologue. I might come off as c--ky at some points, but I mean well. I went through the same dilemmas and did a lot of research into the matter :).

« Last Edit: December 02, 2009, 09:57:59 AM by Paradigm »

Gizmo

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Re: Laptops + connections
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2009, 12:49:50 PM »
Thanks for the reply Paradigm.

I will need to move about abit and although in terms of value for money I know a desktop is better, i still think a laptop is better for me. I am prepared to pay a bit more though for one which is still capable.

I dont think i will be getting into pro level recording software yet so i dont think the software i will get will be too power consuming. My plan was to look into the digidesign eleven rack unit which I believe has some processing power built in. This uses Protools which isnt too bad for power comsumption. I was also going to look into some drum plug in's as I would like to make tracks to practice and jam along to. this would mean I dont need to buy a looper pedal.

Thanks for the tip on the sound card. I will have a read of the tc electronics.

My headphones are open Grado 125's. A few years back when I was using multi fx at home i did buy some studio speakers. They arent top level @£350 tannoy active but they sound quite good.

I read that Mac will be releasing new MBP's in the new year with updated parts like new i7 cores? I will wait and see how they price these as the current specs arent great value. I know Mac's are standard and people rav at how reliable they are. I might book an appointment with the apple shops which give you a tour of how to operate them. Ive never used one before.

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Re: Laptops + connections
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2009, 10:24:28 AM »
I wouldn't worry about not knowing how to use one, there are only a few differences.

Also I have noticed they upgrade all there lines separately so now they have really great desktop units and there laptops are lagging behind in terms of spec. I am planning on waiting until they upgrade the laptops once more so they have a similar spec as the iMacs because this is pretty much all you need.

The most popular computers that are sold now are the eee pc's and the tiny netbook style laptops. I know people who say they use them for everything (I know someone who records with protools and someone else that does some intense 3d moddelling stuff), which kind of says that most people really don't need all that power that alot of new expensive units have.