So what's the thing with RATM being #1 in UK with Killing in the name...?

[Dmoney]

a lot of it is a bit sickening.

stick to the dischord records catalog and you can't go wrong.
 

i find the terms 'emo' and 'post hardcore' really broad when used as descriptive terms to link bands to a genre.
like some people call Fugazi post hardcore, which kinda makes sense, and some people call that crazy metallic off beat weird time signature screaming stuff 'post hardcore'. which doesn't sound like Fugazi at all.

basically, when it comes to that sort of thing, i think it takes a lot of sorting wheat from chaff and im not prepared to do it.

check out Embrace (the dischord band) maybe Dag Nasty, Swiz, Fugazi, Jawbreaker, Samiam, Quicksand, Rival Schools, Lion Of Judah, Jets To Brazil, American Football (awesome guitar work!), Cap'n Jazz.
though i guess a lot of that verges towards hardcore.

f*ck Ateryu and Grade and stuff like that.

[Philly Q]

I've got some Fugazi, Quicksand and Rival Schools stuff - had no idea what genre labels they'd fit under though!  :lol:

[Dmoney]

id call them all hardcore related.

Ian McKaye of Fugazi was responsible for a bunch of bands. Teen Idles, Minor Threat, Embrace.
Walter Schreifels (not sure if i spelt that right) is the major player behind Quicksand, and Rival Schools, and his roots are back in Gorilla Biscuits (essential hardcore band!) and he also does from solo stuff.

Those styles seem to be a progression from a single point of hardcore.

Far, Handsome, Orange 9MM, Burn, Into Another. They all fit with Quicksand. Helmet too actually but they're a bit different. If you get REALLY stuck into bands like Atlas Shrugged pop up. Of course there are a lot of contemporary bands that do something similar in a good way, but not too many.

Orange 9mm is connected to Burn... and Burn to Inside Out, the first band Zach against the machine sang in (AWESOME band) which in turn links to Hardstance in which Zack played guitar. The guitarist of Inside Out and Burn (Vic) became a Krishna monk for a few years and currently resides playing guitar in 108. although 108 had a pretty big hiatus, probably for krishna related reasons.

Dave Grohl was playing in scream around the time of some of those bands being in existence.

Its weird how many people you can link to East Coast Hardcore

[Philly Q]

I've got the Handsome album, and everything by Helmet.  And what about Jawbox, do they count?

See, I'm more into this stuff than I realised!  :lol:

[Dmoney]

i dunno jawbox.
unless you're thinking of Jawbreaker.

Those bands got pretty big (helmet for inventing drop d riffing, quicksand and orange 9mm and far all toured with Deftones at one point or another).

even though those bands did much better than the past band of individual members none of them really broke through.

Quicksand are awesome though, and massively different to gorilla biscuits. you can actually get Gorilla Biscuits - start today with Walter singing on it... its TERRIBLE!

you should check out my friends band Give.
http://www.myspace.com/givemusical

I got asked to play for them on a tour but the tour fell through.

also, my boy Alex's band Gypsy are good
http://www.sixfeetunderrecords.com/site/?page_id=881

[Philly Q]

This was Jawbox:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jawbox

Thanks for all this info.  I'm going to dig out my Quicksand and Rival Schools CDs for starters and see if I still like 'em.  :)

[dave_mc]

The Mummy 1 & 2, The Scorpion King, Die Hard 1 & 2, Along Came Polly.  That's pretty much the entire ITV2 movie catalogue. 

Although during the Christmas period they've expanded their repertoire by re-showing films which were on ITV1 a few days earlier.

there you go, thanks :lol:

so do you know the guy who started the facebook page pushing for this? If so, is he now loaded off a nice payout for services to sony?

take a look at the sony wikipedia page. there is a whole section entitled controversy. First heading under that is about them having a ficticious movie reviewer to boost ratings, and now they have a ficiticious rage against the machine fan, thats how i see it anyway
but when it comes down to it i really dont care, ive never seen xfactor or heard any of its winners, and i dont listen to RATM

nope, but i think the person who started the campaign was offered a job by cowell and didn't accept (could be wrong, though).