Is it just me...

[dave_mc]

Not really, no. I'm just a fan of the idea of genres because it make's things far easier to describe quickly, and the "it all sounds alike anyway" attitude annoys me, since it's just naive at best, and willfully ignorant or deliberately condescending otherwise.

agreed. while i would agree that some people (especially mainstream newspaper music critics) have an almost OCD approach to genre-making (not to mention, getting them wrong more often than not :lol: ), having genres is a good idea as long as you don't get too precious with them or use them as a means of alienating other people who aren't so "tr00". For example, if i say, "I like 80s metal, any suggestions for other stuff or genres I might like?", I'm not really likely to appreciate an answer along the lines of, "It's all music, d00d!"...

:)

that being said, i agree with what philly's saying too. And just because, for example, megadeth isn't as heavy as some of the more modern stuff, doesn't mean it's not metal. And i've seen, for example, ac/dc, or guns n roses referred to as metal in recent newspapers, or by people the same age as me. Problem is, much like politics, everyone (ok, almost everyone) considers themselves to be centrists. if you normally listen to necophagist, then metallica probably doesn't seem to heavy. If you normally listen to joe mcelderry, then the shadows are probably metal.

[nfe]

I do think however, that fans of "niche genres", be that extreme metal, or ragga, or drum 'n' bass or whatever, tend to be far more passionate, enthusiastic and opinionated about music than more mainstream (for want of a better word) listeners, which is how I tend to think of the majority of this forum, especially after being so disappointed reading so many posts of "nothing good has come out this year"  or "I don't really listen to any new music".

I feel like I (along with many others) am being damned as "mainstream", which I find a bit insulting.  

Mainstream isn't the word I'd have chosen if I could of something that articulates what I think better, but I can't. Nor do I intend it as an insult at all.

Don't tell me I'm not passionate about music just because I like tunes you can sing in the shower.  Because I don't understand the appeal of death grunts or never-ending 100mph drumming.

I did make a point of making it cross genre.  

I'm not accusing you personally, but I believe some people are into "extreme" music just because it is extreme.  They want to be as "underground" and elitist as they possibly can, the more unlistenable the better.  They don't actually give a shiteee about the music.

Undoubtedly, I tend to find most of them jump off to another trend pretty quickly though. Sadly there are some who manage to keep it up well into their adulthood. The chap in thread I posted from the Terrorizer forum, for instance.

As for "nothing good has come out this year"  and "I don't really listen to any new music"..... try being 45.  It gets harder to keep up.  Young bands start to look like self-important overgrown babies with ridiculous hair and stupid key chains dangling out of their hanging-round-the-arse jeans.  Tattooed, fat 35-year-olds in smelly t-shirts and bullet belts, clutching bottles of JD, don't look hard or cool, they look like immature tits.  Everything begins to sound like something you've heard before.  

It'll happen to you one day.  Just wait.

I just think that if you want to find new music that interests you, you will. One of the organisers of my festivals is a 47 year old mother of four and grandmother of three who owns her own business and organises two festivals, but she constantly finds new music to interest her simply via magazines and the net.
For what it's worth, the more extreme the music, the less smelly t shirts and bullet belts you see, and, oddly, the more attractive the female fanbase get. :lol:

[Philly Q]

I just think that if you want to find new music that interests you, you will.

I don't disagree.  I haven't turned my back on it.  I still read magazines, I still investigate new stuff, I still listen to "my" old bands, I also listen to existing music I missed first time round.  But there's less brand-new music that really interests me, that's just the way it is.  Maybe 1 or 2 albums a year, whereas once it was 20 or 30.

For what it's worth, the more extreme the music................... the more attractive the female fanbase get. :lol:

Now that I find very hard to believe.  I always thought most gig-going girls were munters.  But maybe if I was 20 years younger I'd see where you're coming from.  :lol:

[Afghan Dave]

For what it's worth, the more extreme the music ... oddly, the more attractive the female fanbase get. :lol:

Look, I've been very reasonable so far but now you're just talking sh!t and you know it..  :lol: :lol:

[Dmoney]

For what it's worth, the more extreme the music ... oddly, the more attractive the female fanbase get. :lol:

Look, I've been very reasonable so far but now you're just talking sh!t and you know it..  :lol: :lol:

true, i was gonna say... have you heard of juggalettes?

[Afghan Dave]

Mainstream isn't the word I'd have chosen if I could of something that articulate what I think better, but I can't. Nor do I intend it as an insult at all.

WTF?  :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Philly Q]

For what it's worth, the more extreme the music ... oddly, the more attractive the female fanbase get. :lol:

Look, I've been very reasonable so far but now you're just talking sh!t and you know it..  :lol: :lol:

true, i was gonna say... have you heard of juggalettes?

Are they something to do with Insane Clown Posse?  :P

[Dmoney]

oooooh yes! female juggalos!

[nfe]

Mainstream isn't the word I'd have chosen if I could of something that articulates what I think better, but I can't. Nor do I intend it as an insult at all.

WTF?  :lol: :lol: :lol:

As opposed to mainstream, maybe I should have said music that doesn't takes as much deliberate effort to discover, or music that isn't strictly speaking mainstream, but is still covered by the mainstream media. Better? I know what I mean  :lol:

oooooh yes! female juggalos!

Good grief.

[Philly Q]

oooooh yes! female juggalos!

Blimey, that must've been sitting in some dim corner of my memory banks since my Kerrang!-reading days.  :lol:

[Philly Q]

As opposed to mainstream, maybe I should have said music that doesn't takes as much deliberate effort to discover, or music that isn't strictly speaking mainstream, but is still covered by the mainstream media. Better? I know what I mean  :lol:

Again, we have all have our own ideas of what's well-known or easily discovered.

I'll concede that the music I listen to is much more "mainstream" than the music you listen to, by both our definitions.  But.... I work with a 21 year old and a 26 year old who are by no means clueless about music - yet they've never heard of nearly all the bands I like!   To them, I'm an obscurist - Winger might as well be Anaal Nathrakh.  :lol:

[CaptainDesslock]

Sorry for making the thread all serious.

Just for the record, I think the models nfe posted look infinitely better than that Upton slapper.

I can't beliveve I've missed all this craziness?

Where have i been?

Oh, and for the record...I too was curious what nfe would consider an attractive woman  :P

[Johnny Mac]

As opposed to mainstream, maybe I should have said music that doesn't takes as much deliberate effort to discover, or music that isn't strictly speaking mainstream, but is still covered by the mainstream media. Better? I know what I mean  :lol:

Again, we have all have our own ideas of what's well-known or easily discovered.

I'll concede that the music I listen to is much more "mainstream" than the music you listen to, by both our definitions.  But.... I work with a 21 year old and a 26 year old who are by no means clueless about music - yet they've never heard of nearly all the bands I like!   To them, I'm an obscurist - Winger might as well be Anaal Nathrakh.  :lol:

This is something I was thinking about today. Trying to sell the rock music i'm into, which is pretty normal to everyone in here, to others who don't listen to rock or metal is pretty hard. If I tried to get someone into any of the extreme versions of metal would probably horrify them.

You no like Vanessa Philly? Why no you like? Got to love a good old London slut Philly!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgZvfs9VRJg

[Johnny Mac]

For what it's worth, the more extreme the music ... oddly, the more attractive the female fanbase get. :lol:

Look, I've been very reasonable so far but now you're just talking sh!t and you know it..  :lol: :lol:

I went to see Motley Crue in the 80s and they had chicks like Vanessa Upton there! I'm not having any of it that extreme metal gigs have any decent looking women there, if any at all. And if there are they probably have dead maggots in their fannys!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18aD3f7_VRI

[Philly Q]

You no like Vanessa Philly? Why no you like? Got to love a good old London slut Philly!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgZvfs9VRJg

I don't want to sound all Daily Express, Johnny, or like the judge in that Jeffrey Archer trial ("Has she elegance? Has she fragrance?" :roll: ).....

....but "good old London slut" is the problem... she just looks like a skanky old tart to me.   She might as well be dressing up in a schoolgirl uniform and all that bollocks (and no doubt she does!).