Warmoth Nightmare.

[Ribboz]

I put this in the Tech section because I wanted Luthiers point of view on this.

Ive had this neck for years, about 5 - 6 years. It has always had an issue with the thickness. At first I thought it was just the way warmoth made them and didn't think anything of it. The original issue I had was the neck felt thicker toward the first fret, and thinner near the 12th?? Like I said, I didnt think anything of it, because it was my first warmoth neck.

About two years after this one I got another, with the same shape and build. The neck felt completely different.

Well I think I have proof they made a mistake with this neck. About a month ago, I noticed this. I dont know why I never considered it before. Yes I feel dumb. But, looking over it you might think it may have grew into this but, it did not. Its been this way since I got it.
(alright no longer gonna be vague about this)
As you can see, there is space below the frets. At the 22nd there is no space under the fret, and it gradually gets larger. Look at the pictures. What I think happened. was a error in their CNC machine and it cut the fret board slightly off. The problem is, that there is a HUGE feel difference. Just look at the pictures. I'm ordering them from 1st on top to 22nd on bottom.




Just like I said, the gap below the frets grow as you look from 22nd to first.
Very disappointing.
So what do you all think?

[WezV]

???   sounds odd but i would think its a bit old to do anything about it.  have you measured to see if it actually is thinner at the nut - or way off advertised dimensions

the fret slot thing is minor.  i havnt noticed it before on warmoths but  it could be due to the compound radius board, how they slotted to allow for that andhow they actually radius the board

[Ribboz]

Yeah sadly its too old to have them do anything about it. Atleast I think so. Yeah, you can even see it with your own eyes that its thicker near the first fret. Its the weirdest thing. I mean, Ive played it so long I barely notice it. But it just bothers me that that big mistake is there. Also lowers my view on warmoth quite a bit.

[FernandoDuarte]

weird... the fret slut could be just normal, but it fells thicker on the 1st fret, that's the opposite of what Warmoth does... weird

[Ribboz]

weird... the fret slut could be just normal, but it fells thicker on the 1st fret, that's the opposite of what Warmoth does... weird

See I would have guessed it was normal. But I have another warmoth neck, with the same specs, and it feels completely different. If it wasnt for that, I would not have even considered it being messed up.

[Sifu Ben]

Also lowers my view on warmoth quite a bit.

They're a volume manufacturer dealing with wood. Sometimes there's going to be a screw up. If you'd contacted them at the time I'm sure they'd have made it right. It clearly didn't stop you buying a second one though  :?

[Ribboz]

Also lowers my view on warmoth quite a bit.

They're a volume manufacturer dealing with wood. Sometimes there's going to be a screw up. If you'd contacted them at the time I'm sure they'd have made it right. It clearly didn't stop you buying a second one though  :?

Like I said, I didn't know.
You can't put this all on me. I didn't know it was incorrect until I got the second one. So yet again I say, you cant put this all on me.

[Afghan Dave]

If you're upset after 6 years... just sell it.  :?

[Ribboz]

If you're upset after 6 years... just sell it.  :?

Yeah. Sadly though that brings up another disappointing side of warmoth.
Warmoth products hold practically no value.
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[FELINEGUITARS]

No - the gap under the frets isn't indication of a fault per se

The fret slots are probably cut when the fingerboard is still flat and they are all cut to the same depth.
When the radius is applied to the board the camber gets lower on the edges the higher you go up the neck

Think about the arc of a circle which is what a fingerbord essentially is
If the centre of the fingerboard is the top of the circle - if you follow the circumference the further you move away from the top/centre point the lower you get going downwards
So if the nut is 43mm wide - 21.5mm from the centre point you will have dropped less than at the 22nd fret end (poss 57mm wide) which would be 28.5mm from the centre.

Confused? - draw a circle and trace the changes as you move away from the centre/top

So these slot depths has no standing as far as the thickness of the neck goes IMO - although I wont say that Warmoth don't or can't get things wrong at times.

Is the problem that the neck is too big/clublike at the 1st fret area ?
You could just shave some off the back - slightly change the taper so to speak


However

[ToneMonkey]

Time to break out the sandpaper and make sawdust!

Fernando - What's a fret slut?  I'd like to find out  :lol:

[Ribboz]

No - the gap under the frets isn't indication of a fault per se

The fret slots are probably cut when the fingerboard is still flat and they are all cut to the same depth.
When the radius is applied to the board the camber gets lower on the edges the higher you go up the neck

Think about the arc of a circle which is what a fingerbord essentially is
If the centre of the fingerboard is the top of the circle - if you follow the circumference the further you move away from the top/centre point the lower you get going downwards
So if the nut is 43mm wide - 21.5mm from the centre point you will have dropped less than at the 22nd fret end (poss 57mm wide) which would be 28.5mm from the centre.

Confused? - draw a circle and trace the changes as you move away from the centre/top

So these slot depths has no standing as far as the thickness of the neck goes IMO - although I wont say that Warmoth don't or can't get things wrong at times.

Is the problem that the neck is too big/clublike at the 1st fret area ?
You could just shave some off the back - slightly change the taper so to speak


However

Yaknow that makes sense. Sorry not trying to be rude, you have been one of the most polite people on this forum, so "please"don't take offense. :D

The only reason I know this cant be the fact, is that I have another neck with the same specs, and they're completely different. Also this gap is not present on the other one and it has the same radius as this one.

[Afghan Dave]

What do you want to do?

[Ribboz]

To be honest, nothin. I just wanted to show something I thought was interesting. :D
I would like to sell it, but I tried and I cant even get 300$ for it :(
It cost just under 600 when I got it
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[WezV]

The only reason I know this cant be the fact, is that I have another neck with the same specs, and they're completely different. Also this gap is not present on the other one and it has the same radius as this one.

its possible they changed the way they do things to avoid the gaps between the purchase of your two necks

if you want solid answers you are best asking warmoth directly - maybe they will have some for you and maybe they might even be willing to do something for you

we cant really help with warmoths service other than to relate other experiences and confirm that the neck carve thing is unusual and the fret thing is not a problem.... what we can help you with now is possible solutions to get the neck working for you