Epic Fail - WWYD?

[James C]

Some of you may have seen that I've sold my Vigier that was in seconds out, at the end of the day i took home £1300 for it so i'm happy Buuuuuuuuuuuttttttttt.................


The guy i sold the guitar to have just listed it on sevenstring.org for sale at £1800 (as he bought it new for £2300??)
and has also put the original EMG's up for sale for £150.00


I know there's sod all to buggery i can do about it, but am open to ideas

here is the link

http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/guitars-for-sale-trade-wanted/107002-vigier-excalibur-ultra-bareknuckle-pickups.html

[_tom_]

Can't really do much other than reply and remind him he only paid £1300 for it I guess..

[MDV]

Sneaky little shite.

You could reply to thread, unless it works like seconds out and you cant, post a warning to potential buyers thread with a link to the seconds out one explaining that his story on the age, price, pickup replacement (and alleged cost of that too) are all a tissue of lies, stick a note in your sig saying what he did, that sort of thing. Tell the mods too.

Whatever you do, dont do nothing. I loathe tossers like this and hope that, aside from you being snubbed by it in this particular occasion, thats true of most people and his attempt at making a few hundred quid from deceit fails and hes stuck with the guitar.

[James C]

Cheers for the advice guys, have posted a reply with a link to seconds out. I definately didn't want to do nothing, especially as Nolly is trying to sell his Vigier on the same forum for the same price. didn't want the D*ck taking trade from a BKP Forumite with lies.

[dave_mc]

i agree with MDV. Good luck.

[Philly Q]

I was going to say it's up to him what he does with it.... but reading his listing he's definitely implying he bought it new and he had BKPs installed.  And he's flat-out lying about it never being gigged.

Not really much you can do, but "outing" him is a good start.

[horsehead]

I notice that he's posted that your a liar...go for the bar-steward

[nfe]

Did you tell him it was gigged extensively? Or are you just posting that cause you've taken the huff that you've sold it to someone who just bought it to resell?

Frankly, I think it's hard lines for you, and it's bad form on your part posting to sabotage his sale out of bitterness.

[Bob Gnarly]

Someone buys something, then tries to sell for profit shocker!!!

[shobet]

This could get interesting in a handbags kind of way.

Were you happy with the money you got for it? If so then what's your problem. Did you list it on that site for sale?

However at the end of the day it's his property now and he can charge what he wants for it. I'd be pissed off if it was me, but there's $%&# all you can do about it really. Notice he doesn't say that he bought it new anywhere in the ad. His presentation is way better than yours as well. Lesson to be learned there I think.

I'm assuming his costs are based on the listed retail price for the guitar new and the listed price for the pickups?

I notice he's mentioned that you told him it had not been gigged in an email, is that true? 

He's an opportunist at worst, and if I was in the same boat, I'd do the same as he has if there was money to be made.

[James C]

I am happy with the price that i got for the guitar, but i only bought it from the store a year ago before i paid to put BKPs and new pots in the guitar.  He's also got a thread advertising to sell the original EMG's for £150 as well.

It just seems that the next person to buy that guitar won't be getting a very good deal at all, as there are 6-7 vigiers in my local store going for £1900 - £2300 Brand New.

I had told him that i didn't gig the guitar anymore as i now use my seven string, not that i didn't gig the guitar.

[Philly Q]

It just seems that the next person to buy that guitar won't be getting a very good deal at all, as there are 6-7 vigiers in my local store going for £1900 - £2300 Brand New.

If he's being over-ambitious with the price, it won't sell.  But it really is up to him what he wants to sell it for, and it's up to the next buyer what they're prepared to pay for it.  There's nothing wrong with buying a guitar because you think you see a profit in it.

If it was just about the price I'd say leave this and forget about it, it'll just annoy you more if he sells it for £1,800.  I still cringe when I think of the times I sold guitars for less than they were worth (one in particular, I hate to think what it's worth now...).

I still think he's been dishonest over the gigging issue, and I do think his wording implies that he bought it new and had the BKPs fitted.

[Bob Gnarly]

The 'Truth' would make a bad advert.." Bought this for £1300, looking to make a profit..etc"

The only person who looks bad in this situation is you for posting on his thread. Are you 15?

[MDV]

Theres nothing wrong with selling at profit

Theres plenty wrong with misleading your prospective buyers. They're getting something under false pretenses. The phrasing of the ad is carefully geared to be true, strictly speaking, but to give the impression of things that arent true. Never gigged - certainly he never gigged it. Not never gigged. Cost 2300 new - yeah, it would have, but he didnt buy it new. BKPs added "now" it sounds fantastic implies he heard it before it had the NBs in, which he didnt, but that statement is still not a lie; it presumably does currently, at this moment, now, sound fantastic.

The whole lot, while each part is true, adds to build a picture of him buying this guitar when MotE did, rather than a week ago, of him putting the investment in pickup upgrade, paying for the work to be done and carefully looking after the guitar, never gigging it, for that time period. An ungigged guitar thats had professional work done on it leads a buyer to be more reassured of the condition and reliability of the instrument, and to state or suggest these things where they arent the case or are ambiguous is deceitful.

If I were looking at buying the guitar off him, I would want mote to say something about this, because I would want to know that this person isnt someone I would want to buy anything whatsoever from.

[AndyR]

Theres nothing wrong with selling at profit

Theres plenty wrong with misleading your prospective buyers. They're getting something under false pretenses. The phrasing of the ad is carefully geared to be true, strictly speaking, but to give the impression of things that arent true. Never gigged - certainly he never gigged it. Not never gigged. Cost 2300 new - yeah, it would have, but he didnt buy it new. BKPs added "now" it sounds fantastic implies he heard it before it had the NBs in, which he didnt, but that statement is still not a lie; it presumably does currently, at this moment, now, sound fantastic.

The whole lot, while each part is true, adds to build a picture of him buying this guitar when MotE did, rather than a week ago, of him putting the investment in pickup upgrade, paying for the work to be done and carefully looking after the guitar, never gigging it, for that time period. An ungigged guitar thats had professional work done on it leads a buyer to be more reassured of the condition and reliability of the instrument, and to state or suggest these things where they arent the case or are ambiguous is deceitful.

If I were looking at buying the guitar off him, I would want mote to say something about this, because I would want to know that this person isnt someone I would want to buy anything whatsoever from.

Sage words from the man here...

(I tried to say roughly the same yesterday, and it was an epic fail... so I didn't post it :roll:).

The mod on that thread seems to agree, and has allowed your post to stand for that reason...

If the bloke starts arguing any further, and then if you respond more, it'll just make you both look bad... As it is, you're looking like a caring forumite at the moment (backed up by the mod) and I'd recommend that you've done what's needed, just ignore the thread from now on, no matter what the other bloke says...