Epic Fail - WWYD?

[Ian Price]

Andy has sadid pretty much what I was going to say. If someone buys it for £1800 after seeing the history of what happened then so be it. There is little than you can do about it now. He may struggle selling it for that much now though.

[MDV]

Yeah, I agree with andy and ian.

I think that hes carefully manipulated the phrasing of the ad to imply that he is the original owner is now clear to everyone that reads it and has any reading comprehension skills. If someone still wants to buy it, then thats their choice. Caveat emptor.

[Bob Gnarly]

If the guitar is mint then then the fact it was second hand is irrelevant.
As has been said, if the guitar's not worth £1800, it won't sell. If someone paid that, it was worth that to them.
Still think posting in the guy's thread is childish and petty, and the pretence of informing potential buyers is a smoke screen. You've just pissed all over his thread out of spite.  If that was my sale I'd be pretty pissed off. It's no longer your guitar, and therefore this sale has nothing to do with you. Grow up
 

[Nolly]

A sorry set of circumstances for sure. That guy overvalues his sales, he has tried to do trades with me on several items in the past. I quickly grew tired of dealing with him, his demeanour is pushy and he often sent me the same message on 3 or 4 forums as well as my email.
Unfortunately it's his right to charge what he wants.

I don't feel that what you're doing would affect my sale so don't worry about that :)
EDIT: After looking back at the deal I did with Lew for my Vigier, I'm shocked to find that I was mistaken over the price I paid, which means I've overvalued it in my listings. I feel like a bit of a tit now  :oops:

[MDV]

If the guitar is mint then then the fact it was second hand is irrelevant.
As has been said, if the guitar's not worth £1800, it won't sell. If someone paid that, it was worth that to them.
Still think posting in the guy's thread is childish and petty, and the pretence of informing potential buyers is a smoke screen. You've just pissed all over his thread out of spite.  If that was my sale I'd be pretty pissed off. It's no longer your guitar, and therefore this sale has nothing to do with you. Grow up
 

Youre missing the point (which I'm not going to detail again)

Try this

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Passages-Build-Reading-Comprehension-High-Interest/dp/0439548896/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1263826104&sr=8-1

And, you seem to be lost. The confrontational and rambunctious posting will go down much better here

http://acapella.harmony-central.com/

[Bob Gnarly]

I disagree with you, live with it. That doesn't make me slow or "rambunctious".
Why the personal attack dude, I've got no problem with you?

[gwEm]

I don't know man - your first post was definitely no good and looked a bit silly IMO with all the big letter.. the second one was much more informative. anyway - as others said, I doubt anyone will go for it now.

[MDV]

I disagree with you, live with it. That doesn't make me slow or "rambunctious".
Why the personal attack dude, I've got no problem with you?

Your previous post was a little ambiguous in direction. It was phrased as though to Mote, but he hadnt posted since before your post before that. Plus it contained personal attacks, and was quite oddly agressive - disproportionate to the subject or discussion as a whole imo.

I'm afraid that irked me.

Youre quite right that disagreeing doesnt make you slow or belligerent, and I have no problem with being disagreed with. Its also true that he can indeed charge what he likes for it. But neither of those are the crux of the matter, in my estimation - its that hes misrepresenting the facts/lying. That was my point and I was suggesting (rather impolitely I'll grant you) that you look at the threads in seconds out on the guitar when it was being sold by Mote, then look again at how the seller on 7string has presented the guitar and its history. His statements can be read as being factually true, if looked at in a certain light and when the wind is blowing 6.3mph in a north north easterly direction, but try and tell me that he's being honest.

Not saying 'I'm trying to make a buck on this', thats fine. Implying that hes the original owner, had the pickups changed, and never gigged it since he bought it (new) is decietfull. Again - were I previously looking at the guitar (and the thought crossed my mind when Mote was selling it) I would want to know that  the seller was exercising liberal linguistic legerdemain to make the guitar more apealing.

[AndyR]

Lovely bit of alliteration there MDV ("liberal linguistic legerdemain")...

It's even got a nice rhythm, mebbe someone should work it into a lyric... :lol:

[MDV]

A happy accident.

Mainly, I was watching star trek 6 last night and spock said 'legerdemain' at one point, and I had to look it up, and wanted to use it in a sentence :lol:

[James C]

Just checked in and read through the thread - will agree that the giant lettering makes me seem like a bit of a tool! Just wanted to make people aware that the seller is liberal with the placement of the truth, although MDV and others argued that point much better than i ever could.

on another note..... Star Trek 6 is an awesome film!

[MDV]

Hell yeah it is.

Its no wrath of khan or first contact, but its a quality film.

Very much part of the even numbered star trek = good, odd= bad trend. (Though I like 3 a bit and generations is OK).

[dave_mc]

Theres nothing wrong with selling at profit

Theres plenty wrong with misleading your prospective buyers. They're getting something under false pretenses. The phrasing of the ad is carefully geared to be true, strictly speaking, but to give the impression of things that arent true. Never gigged - certainly he never gigged it. Not never gigged. Cost 2300 new - yeah, it would have, but he didnt buy it new. BKPs added "now" it sounds fantastic implies he heard it before it had the NBs in, which he didnt, but that statement is still not a lie; it presumably does currently, at this moment, now, sound fantastic.

The whole lot, while each part is true, adds to build a picture of him buying this guitar when MotE did, rather than a week ago, of him putting the investment in pickup upgrade, paying for the work to be done and carefully looking after the guitar, never gigging it, for that time period. An ungigged guitar thats had professional work done on it leads a buyer to be more reassured of the condition and reliability of the instrument, and to state or suggest these things where they arent the case or are ambiguous is deceitful.

If I were looking at buying the guitar off him, I would want mote to say something about this, because I would want to know that this person isnt someone I would want to buy anything whatsoever from.

+ infinity.

I never understood the prevailing wisdom which seems to be that if you try to sabotage someone else's sale, nomatter what the reasons are, you're automatically a dick, while the seller can never be a dick unless he takes the money and runs (without sending the item). I completely disagree with that logic, if i were buying it, I'd want to know the truth.

[MDV]

Cool, thanks dave, but we're on star trek films now, try and keep up!

nemesis was underrated.

[dave_mc]

just caught up :lol: legerdemain is a fricking awesome word. Nice to see I'm not the only person who likes awesome words. :lol: