Dumble Overdrive Special

[Afghan Dave]

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GREAT BRITAIN



THANK YOU MDV!!!

[Dmoney]

i wouldn't trust a fat ginger who dresses like a Rambo wannabe to be telling me ANY kind of truth.

[shobet]

Ta MDV, I pinched what you said almost verbatim but added my own little spicy bit made out of snide remarks. If any of you are interested it's here. http://www.jbonamassa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=134935#p134935

If this pans out we could have a little fun with the colonials.

[FELINEGUITARS]

Henry Kaiser states that Derek Bailey was his hero

All makes sense now.

i can never figure out if every other Dumble amp I have ever heard actually sounds awful or whether it is just the players using them being into avant garde cr@p.
Started to feel the same about Fuchs amps too.......but again maybe it's the players

[MDV]

No bother chaps.

"electron flow theory in semiconductors. Are electrons flowing or are holes flowing through the conductors?"

Why does it have to be either? Its actually both. Holes are positve and electrons are negative and they're though to 'go round' in opposite directions with an applied potential difference.

These guys are talking about distortion and clipping, btw. There is some truth to the 'presevation of harmonics' while clipping - a transistor just flat lines at its peak voltage, whereas a valve can exceed its rating and retain a nice curvey, but skewed and suppressed wave. In the case that there is clipping, the valve (THERMIONIC VALVE, btfw, not 'tube'; we invented it (I think), we name it, and 'tube' can be bloody anything cylindrical, and anyway, valve is descriptive, thermionic valve doubly so) will retain some form of the information above the rated output where the transistor wont.

Its also true that valves favour even order harmonics, and to most they sound better.

A non-clipping transistor preserves all the information, or near enough, that passes through it.

[shobet]

He's throwing sieves at me now! All I can think of is draining pasta, oh my poor addled noggin.

[MDV]

I saw. I have no idea what he's on about.

[Simon D]

If it makes you sound like this... I'd prefer a Marshall MG15Dfx  :lol: :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1qCczGgSxw

What, in the name of $%&#, was that? It sounded like a 12-year-old doing a really cr@p Tom Morello impression in a guitar shop!  :o

There's a fine line between experimental and plain old shite. ;-)

[HTH AMPS]

If it makes you sound like this... I'd prefer a Marshall MG15Dfx  :lol: :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1qCczGgSxw

What, in the name of $%&#, was that? It sounded like a 12-year-old doing a really cr@p Tom Morello impression in a guitar shop!  :o

There's a fine line between experimental and plain old shitee. ;-)

[shaman]

Henry Kaiser states that Derek Bailey was his hero

All makes sense now.

i can never figure out if every other Dumble amp I have ever heard actually sounds awful or whether it is just the players using them being into avant garde cr@p.
Started to feel the same about Fuchs amps too.......but again maybe it's the players

Robben Ford,L Carlton, Steve Trovato, D Linley-my fave Dumble tones
/I know Kaiser is an avant garde-ian,but I am calling this one a spoof-there are a bunch on youtubes these days...and it seems like I saw the original

[FELINEGUITARS]

Actually I did see someone playing some nice blues on a Dumble and Joe Bonnamassa sounds good on the Two Rock which is supposed to be Dumble-esque.

I think it is more the style that so many of the players choose to show off their chops
To be fair many of them (like Larry Carlton) are uber tasty but some of these great players seem so bored by normal playing and what most average guys hear as music that they find passion for cutting edge stuff that seems too far out there and atonal for the average listener.

I knew guys who were going to GIT in the late 80s who couldn't even listen to anything with a minor pentatonic anymore - they felt it was beneath them - they had "gotten jazz" the same way that Born again Christians have "gotten Jesus"

[FELINEGUITARS]

And I have an Egnater COD (California Over Drive) module for my Egnater rack already and it does sound v good

From Egnater website:

What would you say if we told you that you could have one of the most famous boutique amplifiers in recent history- and you wouldn’t have to get in a bidding war with John Mayer to have it?

Well, welcome to the module that lives comfortably between the Dumble Overdrive Special and the Mark IIc, except with it’s own little twist. Even Marshall die-hards who don’t care for Fender amps really like this module because it cuts differently and you play differently. It feels and responds like a Marshall, but with a Fender EQ. You’ll get a module that brings out the mid range in single coils and just loves the neck pickup on a Les Paul. This module is perfect for both Robben Fordabees and Dream Theaterrites.

Match Made In Heaven: Try this with a T/D and get the backstage tour of blues-rock heaven.

[shaman]

Actually I did see someone playing some nice blues on a Dumble and Joe Bonnamassa sounds good on the Two Rock which is supposed to be Dumble-esque.

I think it is more the style that so many of the players choose to show off their chops
To be fair many of them (like Larry Carlton) are uber tasty but some of these great players seem so bored by normal playing and what most average guys hear as music that they find passion for cutting edge stuff that seems too far out there and atonal for the average listener.

I knew guys who were going to GIT in the late 80s who couldn't even listen to anything with a minor pentatonic anymore - they felt it was beneath them - they had "gotten jazz" the same way that Born again Christians have "gotten Jesus"

well put!!

[shobet]

But then Bonamassa has been hear to say that the Two Rock and Carol Ann are both seriously lacking in bottom end but however blend well with his other choice of amps.

Do I think the amps are worth the money people pay for them? Who knows, I've never played one and I'm unlikely to.

Do I think there is a lot of smoke and mirrors and bollocks talked about Dumble amps? Yep, but only slightly more than there is about anything else that's rare and expensive and allegedly improves whatever your playing.

Is Dumble insane? No idea, but his legendary difficulty to deal with and reclusiveness only adds to his mythical  status. I work with a couple of really cutting edge industry leading guys and they're a bit special as well. It may be that they're just operating at a higher level that us mere mortals.