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[Philly Q]

I missed this thread until now, nice one Mr Amps!  :D

Sounds good and looks good too.  People are slagging off the graphics but I think they're quite subtle, you still see a Marshall long before you notice the graphics.

[AndyR]

People are slagging off the graphics but I think they're quite subtle, you still see a Marshall long before you notice the graphics.

I was thinking that too...

By choice, I'd go without the graphics. But if I wanted the amp, the graphics wouldn't worry me.

[hunter]

Sounds really good :) Just hate that graphic. I wanted one of these ages ago but no fx loop is a bit of a pain for me (use an eq in the loop for leads) and I can probably get similar enough tones with my Laney :P

That's what I thought, a GHXXL is similar to an 800, maybe a bit more low mids and more smooth top end. You would be stunned if you'd go the W/D route for trying. Really, you should try it, take whatever other amp (SS or tube) and slave the Laney for Wet, it's very different to running delay in the loop!

[dheim]

I missed this thread until now, nice one Mr Amps!  :D

Sounds good and looks good too.  People are slagging off the graphics but I think they're quite subtle, you still see a Marshall long before you notice the graphics.

i like the graphics indeed

[HTH AMPS]

Its a great sounding amp, enjoyed the videos too.  However, I'm disappointed in Marshall using PCB-mounted valve bases.  This is a no-no for me, and especially with the heat KT88s produce and at the price point the amp sells for.

Its just FACT that amps with valve bases mounted the the PCB in that manner will experience problems somewhere down the line - generally out of warranty  :roll:

[hunter]

Its a great sounding amp, enjoyed the videos too.  However, I'm disappointed in Marshall using PCB-mounted valve bases.  This is a no-no for me, and especially with the heat KT88s produce and at the price point the amp sells for.

Its just FACT that amps with valve bases mounted the the PCB in that manner will experience problems somewhere down the line - generally out of warranty  :roll:

I know it's not ideal, but it's a feature that all my amps share, the XTC 100B, the Steavens and now the Marshall. The XTC runs pretty hot, running at 570V plates, and it survived 15 years like that.

And talking about price, the price of the KK was 499GBP from shop with warranty and all. The power tubes alone would cost me 150€ LOL

[Zaned]

That's a great sounding amp! I've had a GAS for a good Marshall (tone) for some time now and this is not helping. Or it IS helping, depending on how you look at it  :lol:

I see Marshall also has a JCM 800 (2203) on their website, would love to do a head to head comparison between these too. I can live without the FX loop, and the low input too. I'm not buying a Marshall for its clean tone.

-Zaned

[dheim]

That's a great sounding amp! I've had a GAS for a good Marshall (tone) for some time now and this is not helping. Or it IS helping, depending on how you look at it  :lol:

I see Marshall also has a JCM 800 (2203) on their website, would love to do a head to head comparison between these too. I can live without the FX loop, and the low input too. I'm not buying a Marshall for its clean tone.

-Zaned

sure, i never used the low input... but the loop, the loop... :(

 :P

[Dragoneti]

Good morning!

I didn't say the KK was better built. I have no knowledge of the build quality of a RI 800. Maybe compare them side by side as the KK will sound different with its KT88s.
 

I was talking about the bigger transformers part which in my book is better build, for example my Mercury OT on my DSL50 made a difference in tone. Of course i will try them side by side, as well as a JVM and a few other amps like the 5153, i plan to buy it in about a month (to make me a small birthday present... :P )

sure, i never used the low input... but the loop, the loop...

Yeah, i wonder who at marshall made this decision of non including a fx loop! Ok maybe Kerry is not using one (probably goes to a W/D setup, but this amp will not be used by only Kerry... and how many people have the advantage to be able to use a W/D setup? Especially those playin lives in small places...if it had one it would be a perfect amp in this category!

By the way Hunter, how do you like the Palmer PDI09? I’m using the line out of my hotplate (without attenuating the amp) and I’m somewhat satisfied with it but I would like to have a dedicated device for this kind of work without being bound by the specific ohms of the hotplate.

[hunter]

Good morning!

I didn't say the KK was better built. I have no knowledge of the build quality of a RI 800. Maybe compare them side by side as the KK will sound different with its KT88s.
 

I was talking about the bigger transformers part which in my book is better build, for example my Mercury OT on my DSL50 made a difference in tone. Of course i will try them side by side, as well as a JVM and a few other amps like the 5153, i plan to buy it in about a month (to make me a small birthday present... :P )

sure, i never used the low input... but the loop, the loop...

Yeah, i wonder who at marshall made this decision of non including a fx loop! Ok maybe Kerry is not using one (probably goes to a W/D setup, but this amp will not be used by only Kerry... and how many people have the advantage to be able to use a W/D setup? Especially those playin lives in small places...if it had one it would be a perfect amp in this category!

By the way Hunter, how do you like the Palmer PDI09? I’m using the line out of my hotplate (without attenuating the amp) and I’m somewhat satisfied with it but I would like to have a dedicated device for this kind of work without being bound by the specific ohms of the hotplate.

I love the PDI-09!!!!! Its speaker sim is also pretty decent, really maybe the best I've heard, surely the best non IR based.

I have to say, an FX loop will NEVER sound as clear as a W/D setup. I never tried it before but it kills!

And I have an idea for a smaller rig, which will look like this:

[_tom_]

Too complicated. All I want to do is stick an EQ in the loop for lead boosts!

[FELINEGUITARS]

I love the PDI-09!!!!! Its speaker sim is also pretty decent, really maybe the best I've heard, surely the best non IR based.

I have to say, an FX loop will NEVER sound as clear as a W/D setup. I never tried it before but it kills!

the wet/dry route works really well and a lot of players do use it

Whilst many know that EVH does exactly this - especially as the old Marshalls had no loop and it gave him a lot of clarity
The other player who had an obsession with it is Brian May
That is why he always uses AC30s in 3s or multiples of 3
He says it eliminates intermodulation distortion within the amp that occurs when using echos and other FX.

And certainly amps that have a parallel FX loop retain a better signal when using certain FX units that seem to rob tone and dynamics when used in series within an amp's loop. I found this out using a rack - the Alesis quadraverb was a big tone sucker when placed in series after a preamp . Using a mixer and putting it in parallel massively improved my sound .
The TC Electronics units I use now do seem somewhat better in that respect and I get away with using them in series - although I keep planning on putting them in parallel again.

[hunter]

I love the PDI-09!!!!! Its speaker sim is also pretty decent, really maybe the best I've heard, surely the best non IR based.

I have to say, an FX loop will NEVER sound as clear as a W/D setup. I never tried it before but it kills!

the wet/dry route works really well and a lot of players do use it

Whilst many know that EVH does exactly this - especially as the old Marshalls had no loop and it gave him a lot of clarity
The other player who had an obsession with it is Brian May
That is why he always uses AC30s in 3s or multiples of 3
He says it eliminates intermodulation distortion within the amp that occurs when using echos and other FX.

And certainly amps that have a parallel FX loop retain a better signal when using certain FX units that seem to rob tone and dynamics when used in series within an amp's loop. I found this out using a rack - the Alesis quadraverb was a big tone sucker when placed in series after a preamp . Using a mixer and putting it in parallel massively improved my sound .
The TC Electronics units I use now do seem somewhat better in that respect and I get away with using them in series - although I keep planning on putting them in parallel again.

Jonathan I was thinking about your small tube power amp as the ideal companion for the wet signal amplification  8)

[Dragoneti]

One thing it bothers me with the W/D setup (the few times i have use it) is that when using two 4x12 cabs (one dry / one wet) delay becomes a little bit weaker, i like my solos (when "shredding" 80s hair metal) to be a little more wet in total (which when using the fx loop of my DSL50 is achieved).

Of course i haven't used one cab in stereo with the two signal blended in a 4x12 which may be a better mix due to the fact that i'm ohm bound with the hotplate. That's why i'm interested in the palmer or the suhr one that caught my eye.

[Dragoneti]

And one other small question... about is volume in a loud (not too loud but not TV like either, think about a loud hifi system) bedroom enviroment, is the amp controllable?

Because i keep hearing horror stories about how the JCM800 is insanely loud and cannot be used for bedroom use etc (although i do have a hotplate if ultimately is needed), for a person who uses a DSL50 full stack or a DSL50 & TSL60 halfstack together for playing (granted master is low on the amps), is the 800 still too loud?