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Vintage VS6 SG & Little Giant first imrpessions
« on: March 05, 2010, 11:35:14 PM »
So I picked up an "as new" Vintage VS6 SG copy from eBay for the miserly sum of £130. It's a replacement for a USA Tele' that I hadn't played for 2 years. Bonkers you might think...maybe.



The first thing you notice about this is the fact that it really does feel quite solid. The neck joint looks good (it's a proper mahogony body with set mahogony neck) and the paint job is neat bad save for a couple of runs on the back that you'd never ever notice unless you were looking for them. The colour is maybe a little "green" under some lights but it's supposed to be classic white and it really depends what kind of light you're in. I think white SG's look great and are a nice departure from the normal cherry red.

There are a couple of things you notice close up that make you realise it's a cheaper instrument though. The fret markers look pretty good and are set in nicely so you can't feel any kind of edge or gap, but a couple look just a little bit untidy if that makes sense, not quite straight. The pickguard hasnt been sanded particularly well and has that weird blending effect between plys that happends when you use a disc sander and it gets too hot. Nothing a bit of sandpaper won't fix though ;)
The Wilkinson designed machineheads do look a little bit flimsy compared to the Grovers I had on my Tele' but I'll just see how they work and replace if necessary.

Strumming an open E acoustically, there is a really warm, satisfying vibe to the guitar. It resonates much better than any guitar I've owned. Don't know if this is because I've not owned a set-neck guitar before but it's great! It's full and rounded; maybe could be a touch brighter but I've only used it so far with the strings that came on it and I haven't set it up or altered it in any way yet. Once I get the Rotosound Pure Nickels on it I reckon it'll be awesome! There's a slight buzz on the low E and A strings but I've never known a guitar that doesnt do this, especially strung with 9's or 10's. The action is as low as I'd like it as I like to bend and use a fair bit of vibrato and the intonation, whilst not perfect is actually better than I remember my Tele' being out of the box! On the whole it's an easy, smooth player and I prefer the slightly wider profile than the Tele'.

Now, I've plugged this into my Blackheart Little Giant combo. This is where the guitar kind of lets you know it could sound better. I've got the Mid and Bass on about 4  and the treble set to 7 and it still sounds just a bit wooly. I know there is great tone just dying to burst it's way out of the 12" Eminence speaker, but not until I install the BKP Stormy Monday and Riff Raff I've bought for it! Don't get me wrong, it's not bad,especially for the money, but you just get the impression the pickups are only giving you half the story.

The amp however is just brilliant, IMO. The sound is beautifully warm, and I love how the lack of master volume means you just have to drive the valves harder to get more volume, and you're rewarded with even more tone. For such a small amp it's thick and juicy and delivers vintage break in spades. Even in 3 watt mode it's fecking loud as well!

I've got the BKP's to install with an SG wiring kit from Axesrus, which consists of CTS pots, Sprague Orange Drops (0.022uF), Switchcraft switch and jack and I've ordered some PIO caps to see see what the difference is. Gonna try the vintage 50's wiring configuration that I've read about as I've heard this works particularly well on SG's. Some may think it's a bit daft installing £300 worth of electrics into a guitar that cost £130, but it's a good player with a great acoustic vibe and sustain. I think I'm gonna love this guitar!




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Re: Vintage VS6 SG & Little Giant first imrpessions
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2010, 08:45:22 AM »
Some may think it's a bit daft installing £300 worth of electrics into a guitar that cost £130

Not at all - it's more daft to put £300 worth of electrics into a high end guitar (IMO).

I know Dave has an Epi SG that has been modded with upgraded parts. I'll be watching this thread with a keen interest as I'm looking out for an SG but can't afford a Gibson (or even a mid range Tokai).
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Re: Vintage VS6 SG & Little Giant first imrpessions
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2010, 08:51:15 AM »
vintage make some great guitars for the money, i had the peter green lemon drop for a while and put some emeralds i had lying around in it and was a totally different beast, it played well and with the better pickups was a great little guitar.
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Re: Vintage VS6 SG & Little Giant first imrpessions
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2010, 11:16:27 AM »
I think Vintage guitars are one of the best budget value for money brands out there. With the right set up they can be great. Happy NGD!

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Re: Vintage VS6 SG & Little Giant first imrpessions
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2010, 02:14:23 PM »
 Although I've never owned a Vintage I've had a lot of experience playing with people who had them and I love em. Honest straight ahead guitars and ridiculously cheap.
 So when my nephew asked me to find a budget parlour guitar for his girlfriend at Christmas I had a look to see what Vintage had and we got her a V880. Out of the box we couldn't believe it. Super tight grained solid cedar front, all wood binding, slotted headstock, singing tone and best of all an absolutely gorgeous neck. How the f--k do they do that for £125?

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Re: Vintage VS6 SG & Little Giant first imrpessions
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2010, 08:28:20 AM »
Definitely interested in this - if it pans out for you, I might consider a Vintage SG for my Nailbombs...
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Re: Vintage VS6 SG & Little Giant first imrpessions
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2010, 01:21:55 PM »
It's been over a month since I bought the little Vintage SG from eBay and I've just got round to installing my BKP's. Just to recap, I bought a Stormy Monday AIV neck and Riff Raff AV bridge, wax potted with 2 condcuctor wiring and long leg, nickel covers and rewired it as per my previous post.

For anyone wanting to do this to a Vintage VS6, there are a couple of things to note: The shaft on the Switchcraft SG switch is too short, so you will need to rout/dremel out some wood from the control cavity to make it fit. Also, the pot shafts are quite short so you don't get enough thread on the top of the guitar to use the washers. I don't mind this but some might I guess.

I only had time for a quick tryout last night, as I hadn't grounded the bridge pickup properly and had to redo the solder joints. I love it, love it, love it though! With the amp just about clipping, the Riff Raff bridge gives a wonderful "SPRANNNNNNNG", which is the only way I can describe it! It's a really satisfying sound. Nothing brash or muddy, just really clear, airy. Like toast with butter and just the right amount of marmite!!  :?
The Stormy Monday clean tone is an absolute revelation. Dare I say a bit BB King esque? It's going to take a while to redo all my settings, as these pickups have a completely different response to the old Wilkinsons. I really think these BKP's might change the way I actually play as new tonal possibilites present themselves. I'm over the moon with my guitar, pickups and amp. Completely stoked!

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Re: Vintage VS6 SG & Little Giant first imrpessions
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2010, 02:18:26 PM »
i know this is off topic but i too have a vs6 and i was wondering if you could tell me what the fingerboard radius is as jhs aren't exactly forthcoming with the info. i need to find out as i need to do a set up for a bigsby i have for it. im going to glue the frets and re clamp them to get rid of any looseness there may be, possible level and fit a graphite nut. this info would be a big help to me.

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Re: Vintage VS6 SG & Little Giant first imrpessions
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2010, 05:35:38 PM »
i know this is off topic but i too have a vs6 and i was wondering if you could tell me what the fingerboard radius is as jhs aren't exactly forthcoming with the info. i need to find out as i need to do a set up for a bigsby i have for it. im going to glue the frets and re clamp them to get rid of any looseness there may be, possible level and fit a graphite nut. this info would be a big help to me.

Thought about using some string and a corn flakes packet?
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Re: Vintage VS6 SG & Little Giant first imrpessions
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2010, 08:36:14 PM »
Vintage produces good guitars for the lower market. A good upgrade will the take the guitar to middleclass level. A friend of mine has the Peter Green Les Paul. Sounds good, even with the stockpickups. Pots are budget and need a replacement. I can imagine it can sound way better with Mules in it. The only downside: weighs a ton, too heavy for me. I can't play three hours with this barrel on my shoulder.
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