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Fourth Feline

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Re: Keepin the Jazz breeze blowin
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2010, 07:00:06 PM »

I felt I was bending too much, so I'm practicing all my improvisation on this guitar nowadays... It's a good way to focus on the notes and tying it all together. plus I'm also working up my inversions and starting to get into substitutions. I discovered the bV7 sub for a dominant chord that resolves to I. I always heard that trick but I understood it this morning.

the best thing about this, I was getting tired of practicing scales and arps all the time. I was barely practicing, but with all this chord melody stuff and voicings and substitutions, I've clocked in 2 hours yesterday evening- and one this morning. it's been a while!

thank you jazz :D

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Sorry to distill your full post to that last bit Keven ;  but you certainly hit the nail right on the head in those last two paragraphs WHY this 'project'  is so rewarding and helpful.  

The fact that we end up doing all the stuff we really should have done  years ago ,   NOW - and willingly !    The  'Magic' being revealed in the recent studies - generates it's own sense of wonder and enthusiasm, in a way that also pumps  fresh blood into any other style(s) you enjoy .  The more you understand, the more you want to  do ; and the more you surprise yourself at being now able to do - the more you want to find out how much the next insight could carry you forward.  :D

I am really chuffed your Archtop re-string and 'sanctification'  turned out nice too.  I was wondering how that was going.

Like I mentioned in another thread , it's the dreaded "K.A.S" - ( Knowledge aquisition syndrome ).  :lol:

Thanks again to Choucas for kicking this one off ; as it's really nice to get a chance to chew the Jazz / general musical development cud on my favourite forum - as we seem to go about things differently on here ; sociable and exploratory - It's never a Pi**ing contest.  :)

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Re: Keepin the Jazz breeze blowin
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2010, 08:41:00 PM »
Great vids especially wes, all out of a thumb.I love his tone and his hit song bumpin'. You can here him in george benson. I'm not a jazzer, find it a bit highbrow but when it bleeds into the country styles of brent mason, danny and
chet i love it.
what a wonderous instrument.

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Re: Keepin the Jazz breeze blowin
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2010, 01:47:25 AM »
the only bad thing about the archtop restring is that now the missus loves that guitar even more, she says it's less zingy, and is easier to play.

This is why i love this forum, everyone's quite the gentelman in every subject. I'm sure we're not alone to be loving jazz,it's a style that can appeal to all ages too (I'm still just in my early 20's...) and be truly appreciated.
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Re: Keepin the Jazz breeze blowin
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2010, 05:46:50 PM »
Gold dust muchachos. Tell me if you've ever seen a better live performance than this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xc7r12tfOc

  Oh and yes Keven, absolutely on your last statement. I mean Jazz is varied, like classical music. There's something for everyone.
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Re: Keepin the Jazz breeze blowin
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2010, 06:32:45 PM »
Yep, jazz certainly is varied.  Benson is a genius, great clip.  Now then, have you been practicing your arpeggios and de-tuning tricks...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXDDQNeSlHI

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Re: Keepin the Jazz breeze blowin
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2010, 07:08:13 PM »
Jesus H Christ! That's one of the greatest guitar solo's I've seen. Nice one FB.

Fourth Feline

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Re: Keepin the Jazz breeze blowin
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2010, 08:18:16 PM »
I loved the ensemble magnificence of the George Benson / Robben Ford video ; two guitarists that on certain  'other' forums, seem to either get criticised ( Robben ) or in George's case - his genius on the instrument overlooked because of the less enlightened listeners focusing on his relentless assault on the top 20 charts during the 70s and 80's with the purely vocal / pop stuff.   The first and most effecting encounter I had of his playing , being the way he opened up one of the tracks on the 'Weekend in L.A.' album ; with some lovely scalar runs, which settled into a lovely slow instrumental groove. Forgive me not knowing the title, it was 30 years ago.  :lol: He was on (UK) daytime chat show 'Loose Women' the other week, but his genius was ( yet again ) reduced to an upbeat  pop song - and him generally being a Laaadeeez man ...  8)

Incidentally , do any of you other older chaps remember that ultra Suave French Crooner Sacha Distel - was an accomplished Jazz guitarist- before something  ( accident ? ) made him have to put the guitar down.

The Gypsy Jazz guy that Fbloke posted, seemed to have confirmed that the exponents of that genre have stockpiled massive amounts of amphetamine compounds. Gypsy Jazz not being my usual cup of tea, but a stunning  perfomance.

My own perennial favourite for ensemble playing and good Jazz  vibe - is 'Night Sweats' by Larry and his boys. Forgive me if this is a 'repeat' on the forum. All the contributors are great, but that drummer must be the the most infectiously gleeful dude I have seen in a long time.   The same guy also being the 'looky-likey' - and enthusiastic equal of a Funk Bass player I used to know - before he found Evangelism and Emigration ;  both of which sadly precluded many of us from his 'permitted' social circle.  Well, less nostalgia - and more 'Toons' . " Here's Larry ! "   :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNIXVw_kni4

(A Blooozy set of hounds that will not let the Jazz out of their teeth ).

 
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Re: Keepin the Jazz breeze blowin
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2010, 09:35:23 PM »
 Larry fan here too. That was a blinder, it killed me at about 7.05 when he gave it so much welly he knocked the 1st string out of its saddle.
 Saw him twice a few years back. 1st time with fourplay, second time with Robben Ford, both times brilliant.

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Re: Keepin the Jazz breeze blowin
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2010, 12:06:42 AM »
That was the best Larry Carlton I've heard by a country mile.  He spends a lot of time with repeating figures, wringing so much soul out of relatively few notes.  Gorgeous. 

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Re: Keepin the Jazz breeze blowin
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2010, 11:13:42 PM »
If my last offering was gold dust then this is the Koh-I-Noor. An obviously minted student rocked up to Minton's one night in the 30's with his direct to disc recorder. The tradition of Jazzers doing their gigs and then jamming after hours was already well established and Minton's was THE after hours club for NY (Harlem). Anyway luckily for moneybags and more importantly for us a young jazzer with the newly emerging electric guitar rocked up there too. Charlie effing Christian jammin!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXV7AvS_DzU

This is the only one folks, the only recording of CC after-hours.
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Re: Keepin the Jazz breeze blowin
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2010, 09:09:51 PM »
If my last offering was gold dust then this is the Koh-I-Noor. An obviously minted student rocked up to Minton's one night in the 30's with his direct to disc recorder. The tradition of Jazzers doing their gigs and then jamming after hours was already well established and Minton's was THE after hours club for NY (Harlem). Anyway luckily for moneybags and more importantly for us a young jazzer with the newly emerging electric guitar rocked up there too. Charlie effing Christian jammin!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXV7AvS_DzU

This is the only one folks, the only recording of CC after-hours.

I must admit to being naively, but pleasantly surprised with that Choucas ( so thanks ! ) -as I rather foolishly assumed he had not 'cut his swathe' during the commercial recording era. I really must pay more attention to the real world.  :lol:

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Re: Keepin the Jazz breeze blowin
« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2010, 09:54:26 PM »
I've been following this thread with a bit of interest and I've got a question...


...where's the best place to start with playing Jazz? I've always been dead impressed by the more chordal playing rather than the lead stuff (I've bluffed it before, pentatonics with a few 'wrong' notes). I can't explain what I can hear in my head. I learnt to play by listening to Punk and playing at a million miles an hour so any pointers would be really nice :)

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Re: Keepin the Jazz breeze blowin
« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2010, 10:05:04 PM »
When I first started playing around with jazz it was really by being flung in at the deep end by a lecturer that taught me guitar at uni, when he asked me to play with his band at a gig when I was in the audience.

I got up, the clarinetist said "there's a chord chart, it's blues with more notes, you'll be fine" and we were off. Since then, that's pretty much how I approached jazz, chord wise, which obviously isn't something that many purists would dig, but I found it an easy way in to the general vibe of things, note choice and voicing wise. Started playing 12 bars with walking bass lines and forcing myself to play a new chord (or inversion) on every beat with extra melody notes amongst them. After a while playing around with those ideas I started actually learning playing around with the more common jazz progression which was easier than I think it would have been, since I already had a few bits and bobs I could use that I'd adapted from what I was already familiar with.

Alternatively, learn some standards and play around with voicings. Generally, knowing lots of voicings and inversions gives you plenty of room to spice up chord progressions and give them a jazzy vibe, to the less discerning ear, anyway :lol:

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Re: Keepin the Jazz breeze blowin
« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2010, 11:32:08 PM »
I've been following this thread with a bit of interest and I've got a question...


...where's the best place to start with playing Jazz? I've always been dead impressed by the more chordal playing rather than the lead stuff (I've bluffed it before, pentatonics with a few 'wrong' notes). I can't explain what I can hear in my head. I learnt to play by listening to Punk and playing at a million miles an hour so any pointers would be really nice :)

Paddy

We had a chat about this in the ' Alnico IV Stormy Mondays in a full hollow archtop' thread, ( currently on page 2 of the 'Players' section.  I was mentioning in what gleefully amateurish way, I approached it.  I hope that holds  some of the ideas you might be interested in expanding upon .  It certainly 'dovetails'  in with what nfe just mentioned :)
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Re: Keepin the Jazz breeze blowin
« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2010, 12:32:55 AM »
Wow who'd a thought that NFE would turn up in this neck of the woods! Big welcome aboard mate. I'm sure with your as of now evidently diverse musical taste background you'll come up some interesting posts for this section. Rack em up you Pict.