Petrol Prices.....

[Ratrod]

We have THE most expensive fuel in Europe here in Holland.

80% of it is tax.

Certain people are putting stolen or fake plates on their cars and steal it from the stations.

By certain people I mean; we all know who but we're not allowed to say it out loud.

[dave_mc]

^ it's not the politicians, is it? :lol:

[Ratrod]

LOL

No if politicians do it's not called stealing.

[Plexi Ken]

it's not the ducks I'm so worried about as the bailout of the banks. Granted the MPs were up to all kinds of gip, but it's a drop in the ocean compared to the bailouts. and the way it's been done has basically propped up a dodgy system with no assurances that it won't happen again (in fact, arguably increasing the chances that it will).

Same here, it's the amount of money that was give with very little strings attached  :?

[dave_mc]

LOL

No if politicians do it's not called stealing.

touche :lol:

[Dr. Stein]

It's all very easy to sit in our armchairs watching bbc news and complain about politicians - if anyone here thinks they know how to do a better job then why aren't you running for parliament? And if you don't know how to do a better job, what basis do you have for complaining about the people doing it at the moment?

There, I said it.

[Stevepage]

Because we didn't have an expensive education at Eaton or parents with alot of money who were already involved in some way with politics.

[Brow]

I needed petrol yesterday; I about died when I picked the pump up and it said 129.9 a litre!

[Ratrod]

It's all very easy to sit in our armchairs watching bbc news and complain about politicians - if anyone here thinks they know how to do a better job then why aren't you running for parliament? And if you don't know how to do a better job, what basis do you have for complaining about the people doing it at the moment?

There, I said it.

That's about as old as it gets.

Have you ever complained about your car, television, computer, guitar, amp. I'm sure you have. Does that mean you shouldn't and build it yourself? Have you ever complained about the work of a carpenter, painter, plumber? You expect them to do a good job as you're paying for it.

Certain professions take special talents.

I don't have some of those talents and I don't want to get shot or stabbed either.

[dave_mc]

It's all very easy to sit in our armchairs watching bbc news and complain about politicians - if anyone here thinks they know how to do a better job then why aren't you running for parliament? And if you don't know how to do a better job, what basis do you have for complaining about the people doing it at the moment?

There, I said it.

ok, i'll bite. (a) I'm very shy and don't like standing up in front of people talking. I certainly don't want to be on TV. (b) I don't want to get corrupted, which is pretty much guaranteed to happen if you try to enter politics (c) considering what i think, i'd never get voted in anyway (d) I don't like party politics, and there's no party close enough to what i think which i'd want to join (or more accurately, which isn't willing to change its policies if it increases its chances of getting voted in).

Plus what steve and ratrod said. probably a bunch of other reasons, too.

[Dr. Stein]

It's all very easy to sit in our armchairs watching bbc news and complain about politicians - if anyone here thinks they know how to do a better job then why aren't you running for parliament? And if you don't know how to do a better job, what basis do you have for complaining about the people doing it at the moment?

There, I said it.

That's about as old as it gets.

Have you ever complained about your car, television, computer, guitar, amp. I'm sure you have. Does that mean you shouldn't and build it yourself? Have you ever complained about the work of a carpenter, painter, plumber? You expect them to do a good job as you're paying for it.

Certain professions take special talents.

I don't have some of those talents and I don't want to get shot or stabbed either.

I've complained about products insofar as "oh $%&#, it broke" etc, but I can't say I've ever been one to start slagging off the manufacturers, except perhaps on matters of taste. I complain about working conditions but not about the competency of my superiors, etc etc. I only complain about the quality of a person's work when I see myself as being in a position to understand it. Maybe sometimes I'm wrong, of course...

Because we didn't have an expensive education at Eaton or parents with alot of money who were already involved in some way with politics.

That's about as roundabout an answer as you could have given. Do you mean that you're not well educated enough to do the job? Or that the public (ie, us) only vote for rich kids who went to Eaton?

[Dr. Stein]

ok, i'll bite. (a) I'm very shy and don't like standing up in front of people talking. I certainly don't want to be on TV. (b) I don't want to get corrupted, which is pretty much guaranteed to happen if you try to enter politics (c) considering what i think, i'd never get voted in anyway (d) I don't like party politics, and there's no party close enough to what i think which i'd want to join (or more accurately, which isn't willing to change its policies if it increases its chances of getting voted in).

Plus what steve and ratrod said. probably a bunch of other reasons, too.

a) Does anybody with half a brain? Fair reason though.
b) Why?
c) Nobody would get voted in if they said what they thought. The inherent problem with a democratic system is that everyone gets to vote on who they want to lead them.
d) Then why not be an independent candidate?


Point is, if you're not interested in trying to make a positive difference yourself, it sounds a bit rich sitting at home and slagging off everyone else's attempts. There's nothing necessarily wrong with not trying, but surely that should give you a degree of respect for those who do?

[shobet]

We live in a representative democracy which is quite different to a true democracy.

Dont' even get me started on the house of lords.

I still think we'd be better off with an autocracy with me in charge, but hey that's just my opinion. For now...

[dave_mc]

grrr, the quote thingy isn't working.

"That's about as roundabout an answer as you could have given. Do you mean that you're not well educated enough to do the job? Or that the public (ie, us) only vote for rich kids who went to Eaton?"

no, he means that in order to actually get put up for a seat (certainly for the tories, and it's probably not great for the other parties either) you have to have been from eton, or be from a political family. An odd one gets through with a more "normal" background, but generally you have to pretty much turn into a yah to get anywhere if that's the case. If I don't like the principle behind yahs, I'm not going to go fawning round them to get a few crumbs.

"a) Does anybody with half a brain? Fair reason though.
b) Why?
c) Nobody would get voted in if they said what they thought. The inherent problem with a democratic system is that everyone gets to vote on who they want to lead them.
d) Then why not be an independent candidate?


(e) Point is, if you're not interested in trying to make a positive difference yourself, it sounds a bit rich sitting at home and slagging off everyone else's attempts. There's nothing necessarily wrong with not trying, but surely that should give you a degree of respect for those who do?"

(a) :)
(b) cos i'm not, er, evil, and have no desire to be?
(c) yeah, but I'm not willing to lie or compromise on my principles to get in. that makes it pretty hard to compete with people who are.
(d) I don't want to be a politician, and independents generally get nowhere.

(e) are they trying to make a positive difference? cos if they are, I'm not seeing it. And it's extremely dangerous once you're willing to compromise on your ideals to get in, because once you're in then you can do what you want, so you justify it. I'm not a fan of the end justifying the means.

[Stevepage]

Because we didn't have an expensive education at Eaton or parents with alot of money who were already involved in some way with politics.

That's about as roundabout an answer as you could have given. Do you mean that you're not well educated enough to do the job? Or that the public (ie, us) only vote for rich kids who went to Eaton?

No what I mean is, every candidate in the past 40 years has been from a fairly rich family and went to expensive schools.

When has there been any one from a public school from an average wage family that was a party leader of conservative or labour?

So yes, we only vote for rich kids because that's all there ever is to vote for. They're so out of touch with what happens for the majority in the real world that it's not even funny.

Why don't I try to make a difference? because I'm not well educated enough, my school went into special measures because of the total $%&# up that was the education system 9/10 years ago. I was taught by different supply teachers every day, most of my hard work was lost. The only subject I managed to excel in was Music which helped me get into college where again I passed both courses with flying colours.