Jon Schaffer tone

[Madsakre]

What pickup would suit his playing, i think that i read that he used vhii's once. But the thing is that i do not use as thick strings as he does, and i do not intend to either. 13's for Eb is rather overkill imo.

What im after is that "twangy" and extremly punchy tone he has.

I think the dear schaffer prefers mahogany guitars. The guitar i inted to use for it is made of.. Unknown wood :S its a mockingbird from the 80's. Lets pretend its basswood. So bear in mind that i dont use as thick strings, and dont use a mahogany guitar. What would compensate for these factors?

[ericsabbath]

I think he used mostly black dogs and riff raffs
apparently he used the rebel yell and holy diver too
the cold sweat sounds great for iced earth

I think his "new" signature wcr pickup apparently sounds somewhere between a riff raff and a vhII

you better email tim

and use a booster, cause a basswood mockinbird will never sound as thick as a les paul custom
a proper amp is essential (something marshall voiced, grainy, open and crunchy)

[Madsakre]

Im a big fan of my ts 808 :)

[MDV]

Bear in mind that that tone is very much in how its engineered - schaffer layers 8 to 16 repetitions of a very thin, dry sound, giving the totality of the sound lots of meat, but lots of clarity.

[ericsabbath]

Bear in mind that that tone is very much in how its engineered - schaffer layers 8 to 16 repetitions of a very thin, dry sound, giving the totality of the sound lots of meat, but lots of clarity.

sure, but his live tone is pretty thick and crunchy as well
even with that new larry preamp he's using on the south american tour (just the preamp into whatever head is available)
from inside pics of the dino and the schaffer preamp, you can tell it's a hot rodded jcm 800 with some tweaking before the gain pot, simple marshall EQ, depth control and a couple extra features for clean modes and loop
I've been testing a friends prototype amp that can sound pretty close to Schaffer's tone
my modded marshall can't, though

[Madsakre]

I think that i should just buy myself 16 heads and set everything on the eq's to 0 :)

[hunter]

Well he has his own signature pickup, wound by WCR. I don't understand why, because he was playing with Tim for some time, but hell, that's what he did: http://www.wcrguitar.com/IceBucker.html

Regarding the Larry Dino, yeah might be a souped up JCM800, but trust me, Larry is so mental when it comes to build quality, component choice and detail on the circuit, there will always be a difference between your "round the corner Marshall mod" and a Larry Dino939 (which also costs 5,000€ by the way).

[ericsabbath]

Well he has his own signature pickup, wound by WCR. I don't understand why, because he was playing with Tim for some time, but hell, that's what he did: http://www.wcrguitar.com/IceBucker.html

Regarding the Larry Dino, yeah might be a souped up JCM800, but trust me, Larry is so mental when it comes to build quality, component choice and detail on the circuit, there will always be a difference between your "round the corner Marshall mod" and a Larry Dino939 (which also costs 5,000€ by the way).

sure
I'm very familiar with larry's obsession  :lol:
larry is a genius, but technically, it's not that hard to tweak an amp to sound like that
if you isolate the drive channels, it's a very simple circuit with simple tone shaping tricks
larry himself said the fortin hulk mod marshall clips posted on rig talk sounded exactly like his dino does live, while the dino clip sounded muffled and very undefined
my modded marshall can't sound like that as it is, but it could with a little more circuit tweaking and experimentation, despite of building quality
I even had a framus cobra modded for a british tone that could get close, and it was a completly different amp, but the cobra different type of tonestack (a james tonestack instead of a marshall one) didn't allow the mids to crunch before the low end hit, so it always sounded so punchy and bassy that I couldn't get that schaffer crunchy thing