Username: Password:

Author Topic: Holy Divers in a LesPaul?  (Read 4834 times)

dheim

  • Welterweight
  • ****
  • Posts: 1945
  • DON'TPANIC!
Holy Divers in a LesPaul?
« on: May 08, 2010, 05:24:38 PM »
i'm trying to sell a HD set, and i found a guy that's actually interested, planning to put them in a LesPaul... a standard, i think. won't they sound too dark?
Mule, MQ, Stockholm, CS, RY, MM, PK, ANB, CNB, AWP, CWP, PiG90...

too many? ;)

Twinfan

  • Light Heavyweight
  • ******
  • Posts: 10528
Re: Holy Divers in a LesPaul?
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2010, 05:39:37 PM »
I loved mine in a PRS McCarty Rosewood...

dheim

  • Welterweight
  • ****
  • Posts: 1945
  • DON'TPANIC!
Re: Holy Divers in a LesPaul?
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2010, 05:42:12 PM »
I loved mine in a PRS McCarty Rosewood...

i've never played one, unfortunately... how does it compare to a LP?
Mule, MQ, Stockholm, CS, RY, MM, PK, ANB, CNB, AWP, CWP, PiG90...

too many? ;)

ericsabbath

  • Welterweight
  • ****
  • Posts: 4702
    • Colidium
Re: Holy Divers in a LesPaul?
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2010, 05:56:17 PM »
I've owned two mccarties, a 70's les paul custom and two les paul copies
only tried the holy diver in the two les paul copies and it did a great job in both
for some reason, the darkest sounding les paul with brazilian imbuya top sounded even better than the japanese one with brighter maple top

I wouldn't put it in a les paul with mahogany top, for example, but years later I ended selling the holy diver to a friend and he installed in a full mahogany Epiphone Bob Marley Lp Special (flat top)
he plays some fast and punchy thrash metal, like Exodus and Testament style with that guitar, and the Holy Diver is doing GREAT
I thought that combination would suck, since it didn't sound good in the Gibson SG I had
but in general, regular spec les pauls are very pickup friendly
I don't think there's any BKP model that would sound bad in a good les paul
some combinations may just not sound impressive
my jap les paul copy had over 16 pickups of several brands
none of them sounded BAD

the mccarties do not sound exactly like les pauls, but they get closer than the other PRS models, since they're a bit thicker and have PAF style pickups
still too skinny compared to a les paul (think it's 3.5 cm, while les pauls are 5 cm)
my mccarties had mahogany neck, though
« Last Edit: May 08, 2010, 06:01:15 PM by Eric Hellstyle »
Riff Raff, Mules, Black Dog, VHII's, Cold Sweat

Twinfan

  • Light Heavyweight
  • ******
  • Posts: 10528
Re: Holy Divers in a LesPaul?
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2010, 07:01:46 PM »
I loved mine in a PRS McCarty Rosewood...

i've never played one, unfortunately... how does it compare to a LP?

Hog body, maple top and mine had a rosewood neck.  A big, fat LP type tone and the 'divers gave the guitar clarity and more beef.  A really great, thick rock tone.

I don't see why they wouldn't work in an LP.  Pickups are just pickups, salt and pepper on the main course  ;)

Antag

  • Welterweight
  • ****
  • Posts: 2071
Re: Holy Divers in a LesPaul?
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2010, 08:27:14 PM »
I've had a Holy Diver set in two different Les Paul Stds (the same set, I moved them one from guitar to the other).  The first was not good, the second was fantastic & remains one of my favourite guitars.

The difference between the two was weight - the Goldtop is very heavy (nearly 11lb) with a very boomy, bassy sound.  The HD lacked clarity & sounded, dare I say it, a little muddy.  But the Vintage Burst is quite light (around 8½lbs) & they sound wonderful in it - big, fat, punchy & clear.

I've posted about this before, but as a general rule, if your LP is heavy, HDs might not be right for it.
BKPs: HD, MM, NB, PK, CS, Ab (b&n); Am (b only); VHII, Tril (n only); IT, Slow, Sult (m&n)

longi

  • Strawweight
  • *
  • Posts: 7
Re: Holy Divers in a LesPaul?
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2010, 10:12:00 PM »
Vivian Cambell anyone? My guess is they're based on the Seymour Duncan Invader pickups that he used in his Les Paul during his early days with Dio. I can remember the interview  all the way back in issue 2 of guitarist magazine around 1983!! It's stuck in my mind ever since then, although Bare Knuckle pickups weren't around then!! Built for the Les Paul then!!!  :D

ericsabbath

  • Welterweight
  • ****
  • Posts: 4702
    • Colidium
Re: Holy Divers in a LesPaul?
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2010, 05:08:49 AM »
Vivian Cambell anyone? My guess is they're based on the Seymour Duncan Invader pickups that he used in his Les Paul during his early days with Dio. I can remember the interview  all the way back in issue 2 of guitarist magazine around 1983!! It's stuck in my mind ever since then, although Bare Knuckle pickups weren't around then!! Built for the Les Paul then!!!  :D

the HD is based on the Duncan JB
I don't think Vivian had an invader in his main les paul
he had a regular looking zebra pickup in the bridge and some kind of blade pickup in the neck position (looks like some kind of early dimarzio x2n)
later that year he swapped the bridge pickup for a black one
I have no idea what models were they, but I know he used Dimarzios in early 80's

the album tone sounds a lot like a super distortion + marshalls to me, and that's what the first version of the BK Holy Diver model was based off
but it could be a JB, since he used that and the duncan custom in several guitars too
the newest holy diver model does not sound like early Dio with Vivian at all
more like Doug Aldrich or late Craig Goldy

the cold sweat model already covers the early 80's tone pretty well, so I guess Tim wanted something to fill that medium high output ballpark with something that could do classic and modern rock without forcing that 80's edge
the cold sweat and nailbomb are very edgy and aggressive pickups, so he probably wanted something stay between that and the bluesier medium hot models like the abraxas and crawler
the "new" diver was actually one of the rebel yell prototypes
« Last Edit: May 09, 2010, 05:51:08 AM by Eric Hellstyle »
Riff Raff, Mules, Black Dog, VHII's, Cold Sweat

longi

  • Strawweight
  • *
  • Posts: 7
Re: Holy Divers in a LesPaul?
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2010, 06:29:19 PM »
Ahh, you could be right, after checking some info on him on the net it does say he used Dimarzio's in his Les Paul, although I swear he said it had Seymour Duncan's fitted to it in the interview, Still it wouldn't be the first time i've been wrong!! :D

Will

  • Welterweight
  • ****
  • Posts: 2599
Re: Holy Divers in a LesPaul?
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2010, 11:41:56 PM »
I didn't think it had enough cut in a maple necked custom.

Also, the name may be a reference to the beefing up of a strat tone with a humbucker. Jake E Lee wrote Holy Diver after all.
There are a lot of posts about the HD working well in maple and alder fattening it up