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JTL

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« on: December 05, 2005, 09:54:04 AM »
Hi!

I've been thinking of changing a pickup / or the pickups of my Gibson Les Paul Studio.

I love the clean sounds already but for high gain metal it's useless (tons of feedback and the sound is far from tight). My amp is a Laney VH100R.

I have been using a Jackson RR-Pro with EMG 81/85 pickups and been pleased with the high gain tone but I have grown to hate that damn floyd-bridge. Is it even possible to get a high gain sound as tight and good from my Les Paul?

I'd like to keep the neck pickup of the Les Paul and just replace the bridge pickup. So I would play all the cleans through the Pauls original pickup and just replace the bridge pickup with a monster pickup for high gains.

The pickup would be used for fast thrash metal - lots of fast palm muting etc.
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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2005, 10:32:35 AM »
Id check out the warpig or the miracle man.Sound clips are in the players room.
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2005, 10:37:09 AM »
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Id check out the warpig or the miracle man.Sound clips are in the players room.


Okay.

About the soundclips, it's quite hard to get a real image of the pickups cause most of them are through a Pod XT and dont involve thrash riffage. :)
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2005, 10:53:43 AM »
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Id check out the warpig or the miracle man.Sound clips are in the players room.


Okay.

About the soundclips, it's quite hard to get a real image of the pickups cause most of them are through a Pod XT and dont involve thrash riffage. :)


True, the soundclips will only tell you so much.And not everyone can record with a cranked valve amp but they will give you a general idea.
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2005, 10:55:33 AM »
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Id check out the warpig or the miracle man.Sound clips are in the players room.


Okay.

About the soundclips, it's quite hard to get a real image of the pickups cause most of them are through a Pod XT and dont involve thrash riffage. :)


True, the soundclips will only tell you so much.And not everyone can record with a cranked valve amp but they will give you a general idea.


Yeah, true. It's just that it would be quite nutty to order a pickup from another country without being sure.
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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2005, 11:16:05 AM »
Both the Miracle Man and Warpig are sometimes thought of as "EMG killers", putting up all the heat and gain of 81s and 85 (I forget which is more like which) but with the vibe of passive pickups.

The Miracle Man is the shredmeister, and has great definition at high gain. It does use a ceramic magnet (in the bridge) for that, so though it's very tight at gain, it won't clean up quite as nicely as an Alnico pup would.

The Warpig has a similarly insane metal output, but geared more towards brutal low-end chug.  With an Alnico magnet, it's not as tight and defined as the Miracle Man, but it cleans up very well (check the clips!).

If you want to shred, go for the MM; to thrash/chug, use the 'Pig.

There are also a few lower output BKPs, either ceramic or Alnico depending on what you want, that are voice for metally things of one kind or another (I wonder if the now-in-development Painkiller might work for you?).

In case of doubt, mail Tim @ BKP :)
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2005, 12:04:57 PM »
Welcome to the forum!

I'd be more than happy to make a quick thrash clip for you using my Miracle Man equipped guitar.
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2005, 12:10:02 PM »
A note about some of the soundclips, keep an eye out for Tim's clips, they are generally Les Paul's through JCM800's for the humbucker's, no modelling, no digital intervention, just pure valve tone.
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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2005, 12:33:17 PM »
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Both the Miracle Man and Warpig are sometimes thought of as "EMG killers", putting up all the heat and gain of 81s and 85 (I forget which is more like which) but with the vibe of passive pickups.

The Miracle Man is the shredmeister, and has great definition at high gain. It does use a ceramic magnet (in the bridge) for that, so though it's very tight at gain, it won't clean up quite as nicely as an Alnico pup would.

The Warpig has a similarly insane metal output, but geared more towards brutal low-end chug.  With an Alnico magnet, it's not as tight and defined as the Miracle Man, but it cleans up very well (check the clips!).

If you want to shred, go for the MM; to thrash/chug, use the 'Pig.

There are also a few lower output BKPs, either ceramic or Alnico depending on what you want, that are voice for metally things of one kind or another (I wonder if the now-in-development Painkiller might work for you?).

In case of doubt, mail Tim @ BKP :)


Thanks for the tips. :)


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Welcome to the forum!

I'd be more than happy to make a quick thrash clip for you using my Miracle Man equipped guitar.


Cool, thanks!


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A note about some of the soundclips, keep an eye out for Tim's clips, they are generally Les Paul's through JCM800's for the humbucker's, no modelling, no digital intervention, just pure valve tone.


Gotta check them out.
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« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2005, 01:51:28 PM »
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Welcome to the forum!

I'd be more than happy to make a quick thrash clip for you using my Miracle Man equipped guitar.


Cool, thanks!

I'll try to make one tonight for ya.
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« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2005, 05:00:46 PM »
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Welcome to the forum!

I'd be more than happy to make a quick thrash clip for you using my Miracle Man equipped guitar.


The SPLAWN! We want the SPLAWN! :P
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« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2005, 05:20:49 PM »
I have a pig and a MM. The pig has the edge in gain, but still a little less than an 81 (which I also have: in a box after it was kicked out by the miracle man!).

The 81 sounds more compressed than either. Thats quite a big aspect of its tone.

To try and give you an idea of the tonal ballance of the pickups, we'll say for argument sake that the 81 is 5/5/5 B/M/T. If thats true then the MM is 7/4/5ish. Its heavier, its midrange is smoother and darker, it has more highs but they tend toward an organic high mid than a sizzly trebble. Beautifull lead tone, it soounds like a less overexcited 81, really smooth and clear and a little backed off  on the gain.

The pig I have in quite a differenct guitar, so a comparison is harder, but its maybe 15% more powerfull with more low mid guts than shear bass response. Which it has plenty of as well, but its a similar amount to the MM. It sounds heavier by virtue of a big bass, growling mids, biting treble and focused but clear tone. Its maybe 7/5/3ish. The MM is tighter than the pig, but the pig sounds bigger and more brutal.

Hope this helped a little.
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« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2005, 05:44:01 PM »
I've not played many of the metal pickups, just the Warpigs. I didnt really like them (waits for flame-age!), they were too bassy for what I like (mind you the amp was pretty quiet). From the soundclips I've heard though, a bridge Miracle Man sounds ideal! Lots of tightness there. Check out Guit-art-ist's clip for the ultimate in tightness!

That being said, I have a Mule loaded LP Custom (Epi though), which I play everything on, classic rock, metal, whatever. Makes you work a bit harder, but its worth it as it makes you a better player  :D Probably not tight enough for metal if I'm being really picky.
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« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2005, 06:05:18 PM »
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That being said, I have a Mule loaded LP Custom (Epi though), which I play everything on, classic rock, metal, whatever. Makes you work a bit harder, but its worth it as it makes you a better player  :D Probably not tight enough for metal if I'm being really picky.

If you boost the signal with an OD pedal before it hits the amp, the Mule can make some really heavy sounds. It's true that it's not a real metal pickup, though. When you're playing metal with the Mules, it's really in your hands whether you'll sound 'metal', while the 'metal pickups' like the Miracle Man or the Warpig will help you with tightness, compression, and aggressive tone.
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« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2005, 06:06:17 PM »
You dont like the might warpig?

 :shock:  :shock: :gib:

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