england were rubbish in the group stages, but i actually thought they were playing better in the germany game :? People (rightly) complain that they were boring, and then when they go to the other extreme people complain too?
Ugh i hate people. :lol:
I still cant believe people are moaning about a single goal that was dissallowed when they wouldve still needed another two to win anyway.
Totally missing the point. If the goal had stood England would have not have to push for an equaliser and hence might not have been caught on the break. In fact both Germany goals in the second half were created by counter attacks as England were so far up the field trying to equalise when they shouldn't have had to.
That said Germany were by far the better team and deserved to go through, the QF place would have been wasted on England anyway and lets be honest the rest of the world would rather watch the youthful and inventive German team over the poor England.
But had the goal stood, it does not mean it would have just finished 4-2, it's not as simple of that.
Fifa should be embarresed though, goals in each of the days games that should not have stood, not even borderline - a meter over the line and a meter offside in the Mexico game.
+1
and even "deserved" is little to do with it- while I have no interest in seeing a worse team go through, worse/more boring/more negative/more cynical teams win games all the time over "better" opposition. That's why you have a tournament and don't just award it to argentina or brazil.
I'm just a bit annoyed that, while I've been complaining about england's mediocrity for years, finally everyone is jumping on the bandwagon to slag them off at a time when, for once, they actually had a fairly valid excuse for losing (a disallowed goal). :?
I must be one of the few males left in this country who is not a football fan - at the risk of getting hammered by all the football fans here I think there are similarities between these players and the heads of the banks - they earn obscene money - more in a week than 95% of the rest of country earn in a year - and still get it even if they perform like shiteee. I really feel for the England supporters.
if we're willing to change the entire system, then i have no problem with cutting players' wages. What I don't want to happen, and which most likely will, if we cut players' wages, is that ticket prices will remain exactly the same and all that'll happen is that the people who own the teams will make more money. At least the footballers are the ones making people want to go to the games.
What I said above! :lol:
But why were England pushing so desperately for an equaliser? Why were all the defenders so far forward? It's the sort of thing you do in the last 5 minutes of a game, not 20 minutes earlier than that.
And, while I'm thinking about it, why is "getting caught on the break" something that only happens to England? Why can't they catch someone else "on the break"? (Answer: no pace, no passing ability, no-one with half a brain)
If it was 2-2 then (presumably) they'd have still been pushing for another goal, unless they were happy to just cruise along and wait for penalties? Not the greatest strategy, I'd suggest, given their track record.
I understand they were aggrieved about the disallowed goal, but they had 15 minutes at half time to calm down. Capello (or somebody) had ample time to say "look, we showed we can score 2 goals in 2 minutes, and we're still only 1 down". It should, if anything, have given them more focus but instead they charged around like an under-11s Sunday morning team. They're morons.
oh, of course, england just isn't that good of a team, but in anything, with a little luck, your deficiencies might not be discovered. It was the disallowed goal which allowed one of england's deficiencies to be discovered. I mean the germany defence didn't look terribly solid either when put under pressure.
I also don't buy that only now are england not that great. They've been mediocre for years. They've never been in a position where I thought they had a realistic chance of winning for the entire time i've been alive (and i started watching football in the late 80s/early 90s).
I don't understand why they thought that prison conditions would make england play better, I'm with johnny there.
And I agree with philly's point about using technology. If they're so worried about avoiding controversy, why won't they implement the extremely simple fix which will avoid most controversy?
