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Re: Look wot I dun!! (Explorer make-over)
« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2010, 01:04:13 PM »
Thanks for that Wez - it all fits with what I experienced (if not with what I did!!)

Interesting about that wet-sanding with the oil. The first coat I followed the instructions on the tin - ladle it on (I used a paint brush) then wipe off after a few minutes.

The next coat went on with fingers, with a wipe off. I could see problems developing - patchyness with regard to gloss/satin, marks from the wipe-off cloth because the oil had cured too long (even after 1-2 mins!! What's this "wipe off after a few minutes" about then?? :lol:), etc. So I wire wooled it (dry) a bit, but I could see my skills/patience weren't going to be up to that.

So I had what I thought was a brainwave - I applied the last coat with wire wool, rubbing it in for each section until it had reached the "wiped off" stage. I decided to go for only 3 coats, because I wanted minimal coating to provide "just enough" protection. I'm planning on it having successive Bri-wax treatments over coming months/years. As it won't be getting subjected to the "sweat-soaked" gigs I used to do, I reckon this will be enough to turn it into a nice, protected, "old piece of furniture" finish...

After the oiling phase, and letting it fully dry for a couple of days, I ended up with a consistent but much glossier finish than I had been expecting. I also had a few places where there was oil build-up (eg drip marks over edges). So I applied Bri-wax in much the same way as the last coat of oil, using wire-wool to apply and cut back the gloss at the same time. When the wax was dry, I rubbed off the excess, then buffed it back up. This revealed the areas I hadn't cut back enough, so another Bri-wax coat (entire finish) but concentrating on the shiny and lumpy bits first.

That's the last layer I did, knowing I'll do some again later. With playing/handling and it all settling, I can see a few areas on the front where I missed a few shiny spots, and a few areas (near the edges of the body) where oil build up wasn't completely sorted - these result in duller patches. However it only shows up in the mirror when you'r posing and the light catches it - it's a real bugger to spot it when you're inspecting it "first-hand" (with a view to fixing it).

I'm confident that leaving it like this for a few weeks for the inconsistencies to "develop" and for me to learn where they are, followed by another Bri-wax session is going to be just peachy :D

As it stands now, I'm very impressed with what I've done and would feel no shame playing it and allowing people to see it in this state. However, if I'd actually paid someone else to do it, and this was presented as the finished article, I'd be unlikely to take it back to them!! :lol:
« Last Edit: June 30, 2010, 01:06:58 PM by AndyR »
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Re: Look wot I dun!! (Explorer make-over)
« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2010, 08:19:31 PM »
Man, keep opening the thread to see this guitar, it's looking so cool!

Think you're glad the Mahogany pieces of body matches it other nicely, not all bodies with solid color have this luck :D

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Re: Look wot I dun!! (Explorer make-over)
« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2010, 08:39:23 PM »
I'm even luckier, Fernando - when I'm at home, all I've got to do is look up to see it!! :lol:

The "Before" photo I have isn't actually clear enough to tell, but you could see the grain through the original finish. While I was deciding to strip it, I spent quite a lot of time looking at it to decide whether the grain was interesting enough. I was already reasonably sure that, although you could see the joins close up, it was going to be "consistent" enough not to look bad.

If it had been a solid colour, I think I would have just stripped the neck. Although, I might have stripped a bit under the scratchplate to see if it was the same as the neck!

As it was, I knew it had pretty much the same grain all over... so it didn't take me too long to decide.
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Re: Look wot I dun!! (Explorer make-over)
« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2010, 09:18:19 PM »
Wasn't it the solid wine finish?? :?
Looking better seems like no :lol:
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Re: Look wot I dun!! (Explorer make-over)
« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2010, 10:01:40 AM »
:lol:
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Re: Look wot I dun!! (Explorer make-over)
« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2010, 01:39:46 AM »
by the way...  :D

which 'dark mahogany' stain did you use?
did it go on before the oil?
any dramas?
still happy with the work?

(sorry for the quick fire questions)
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Re: Look wot I dun!! (Explorer make-over)
« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2010, 08:39:00 AM »
which 'dark mahogany' stain did you use?
I'll have to look at the tin when I get home (if the wife hasn't tidied away too deep in the "storage facilities" at our place! :lol:)

did it go on before the oil?
Yes indeed

any dramas?
Not really. It melts plastic - the protective gloves you might be wearing, dot markers on the side of the neck if you don't wipe it fast enough, etc...

But the job itself came out far more consistent than I expected - I can't see any patchy areas.

still happy with the work?
Very.

(sorry for the quick fire questions)
No problem! :D
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Re: Look wot I dun!! (Explorer make-over)
« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2010, 09:38:50 AM »
That does look absolutely gorgeous.  For me Explorers should either be white or have the finish you've gone for.  Had I done what you did I think I would be unbearably smug now.  :)

Very very cool.

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Re: Look wot I dun!! (Explorer make-over)
« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2010, 11:25:28 AM »
Not sure how I missed this thread first time round.

Looks stunning..... by th eway if you're trying to get through a think finish, I have always had much more luck with emmery cloth rather than sandpaper.  It sees to last a lot longer too.
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Re: Look wot I dun!! (Explorer make-over)
« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2010, 05:57:33 PM »
Thanks guys, I was immensely proud of how it turned out at the time :D


Gwem, here's the details:

Dye was just a Colron Wood Dye. The colour really is "Deep Mahogany"!

I bought it at a local hardware shop, but you can get it at homebase etc. There should be a picture of the tin here: http://www.homebase.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=20001&partNumber=900668&Trail=searchtext>COLRON+WOOD+DYE+DEEP+MAHOGANY.

The Briwax I use on this and my Dark Cherry Faded SG (and on bare maple eg Roadworn necks) is "Antique Pine". It's slowly darkening the Faded SG and the maple necks, but it doesn't seem to change the Explorer.

I chose both tins using the highly scientific approach - "hmmm, that looks about right" :lol:

I actually chose the Briwax with the Roadworns in mind, but reckoned it would do on the Explorer as well. I used it on the SG after the Explorer came out nice - if anyone's got a Faded that feels a bit dull (it will polish up with playing anyway, I think), I can definitely recommend a few goes on it with the Briwax.
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Re: Look wot I dun!! (Explorer make-over)
« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2010, 06:25:00 PM »
Looks awesome!!

Seeing this is inspiring me to get my Explorer refinished. She's a bit battered now and needs some TLC, I've always wanted a white or natural finish Explorer too!

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Re: Look wot I dun!! (Explorer make-over)
« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2010, 01:35:26 AM »
Looks fabulous!!! Explorers are elegant, bold and pure at the same time.
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Re: Look wot I dun!! (Explorer make-over)
« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2010, 02:15:40 PM »
thanks Andy, i'll see if thats available at my local hardware store (its for the mahogany strat body by the way)
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Re: Look wot I dun!! (Explorer make-over)
« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2010, 06:02:47 PM »
I guessed as much. When I was doing it I was thinking "a strat looking like this would be ace" :D
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Re: Look wot I dun!! (Explorer make-over)
« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2010, 06:19:42 PM »
Nice looking Explorer good job but personally I think the Explorer what Tim had made by Feline is the dogs b@ll@cks
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