Author Topic: bpk90/91/92 and MQ players....advice please (Read 6835 times)

riffpowers · « **on:** December 08, 2005, 06:22:12 AM »

I fancy changing 1 of my LP's to p90's.
I'm into fat bassy 70's sounds and play a matamp which is about the fattest bassiest amp you can get.
Will any of these pickups give me a fat heavy sound (sabbath, stoner rock) while giving me a fat bass, good dark crunch without being noisy??
Please post clips too.

Tellboy · « **Reply #1 on:** December 08, 2005, 10:51:53 AM »

Hi riffpowers - welcome to the forum and thanks for all your help on the new Minimat on the Matamp forum. (Will have to delay purchasing one for a while as I've just ordered another set of BKPs !)

I'm not too clued up with the P90s but I'm sure there are many here who are and will help you. ( Probably Philking ! - he's got more guitars and BKP combinations than you and i have had hot dinners :) ). If you have got really specific requirements or want to discuss some aspects of the pickups you can always phone or PM the guys at BKP - they are only too pleased to discuss or recommend what they think will suite your needs. If you look through this forum you will see they very rarely get it wrong and will replace or modify any pickup if there is a problem.

I see you've got a Custom and Standard Les Paul - which one are you considering installing the P90s in ? BKP try to take everything into consideration when making a recommendation (e.g. ebony or rosewood fingerboard etc.) and will sometimes do a special wind if they think it's necessary. I'm sure whatever you choose will sound great through that GTL - wish I had one.

Ratrod · « **Reply #2 on:** December 08, 2005, 11:06:06 AM »

If it's Sabbath you want, you'd like the Pig-90 or the Mississippi Pig. A croos between a P-90 and a Warpig.

If that's too extreme a BKP-92 might do the trick.

lulusg · « **Reply #3 on:** December 08, 2005, 11:17:35 AM »

Hi RP. BKPs make a humbucker size P-90. I have the BKPs-91 on an SG special, the guitar had to be costumized by a luthier in order to fit the P-90s. On the first Black Sabbath album Tony Iommy used P90s, they sure have a raw sound to it, and they are not noisy. I play them on a fender twin reverb, this is as clean as it can get. If I had to choose a weapon for any ocasion this would be it. It's a very complex pickup. :)

PhilKing · « **Reply #4 on:** December 08, 2005, 01:15:23 PM »

Hi, for Sabbath you should try the combination of a Warpig Bridge and Mississippi Queen neck. This gives you the best of both worlds. You could go with the Pig-90 wind on the MQ, rather than the Warpig too. The difference is single coil clarity vs humbucker chug, though the Pig-90 has a lot of chug too.

Shag101 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 08, 2005, 01:22:08 PM »

I just got my Mississippi queen stock neck pickup installed yesterday and I am blown away. It really got that fat bass dark crunch sound to it.
I got a warpig in the bridge and the stock queen matches the output without a problem at all. Its AMAZING sounding.

As for noise you have to expect some here and there. I noticed it was dead quiet in certain parts of the room but did get some feedback in other parts due to interference. But the feedback was minimal and now I can wave the guitar in front of the amp to simulate that effect....lol

Shag101 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 08, 2005, 01:23:30 PM »

I just got my Mississippi queen stock neck pickup installed yesterday and I am blown away. It really got that fat bass dark crunch sound to it.
I got a warpig in the bridge and the stock queen matches the output without a problem at all. Its AMAZING sounding.

As for noise you have to expect some here and there. I noticed it was dead quiet in certain parts of the room but did get some feedback in other parts due to interference. But the feedback was minimal and now I can wave the guitar in front of the amp to simulate that effect....lol

riffpowers · « **Reply #7 on:** December 08, 2005, 01:49:45 PM »

Thanks guys

I wanted to get a les paul with p90's already installed, but theres not much choice, so my other idea was to trade in the custom for another standard and get p90's or humbucker sized p90's installed in that.

Anyone got any clips???
Also I can't see much info on these pig pickups....I'm assuming they're a cross between a warpig and whatever else.Seeing as I don't hve clips and haven't played one what do they sound like??

Tellboy, thanks for the welcomne, the minmat is great!!!

gwEm · « **Reply #8 on:** December 08, 2005, 03:52:14 PM »

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On the first Black Sabbath album Tony Iommy used P90s, they sure have a raw sound to it, and they are not noisy.

you learn something new everyday! iommi's tone on that album is possibly his best, at least for me.

i seem to remember hearing 'wicked world' was done on a strat, which then broke so he had to use his back up SG. i assumed the SG had humbuckers, but i always wondered why the sound wasn't that different. now its explained ;)

another classic p90 album - 'live at leeds' of course ;)

i'm pretty sure a pig-90 will be my next bkp.

Tellboy · « **Reply #9 on:** December 08, 2005, 06:42:34 PM »

Quote from: LULUSG

On the first Black Sabbath album Tony Iommy used P90s, they sure have a raw sound to it, and they are not noisy.

I seem to remember at some point he started using John Birch pickups. I bought a John Birch pickup and had one of my SG pickups rewound by him after it had failed. I didn't think they were any better than the stock Gibsons (and will get round to sending the SG pickup to Tim when funds permit for another rewind). The JB pickup was weird in that it had symetrical top and bottom covers (i.e. completely encased - looked a bit like a chrome mussel and had more than 6 pole pieces )

PhilKing · « **Reply #10 on:** December 08, 2005, 09:17:57 PM »

I still have a John Birch, the pickups are his own, but there were about 5 different guitar models. Mine has Superflux-G's, which are his take on a hot humbucker. I think that the Magnums were the pickups on Toni Iommi's black John Birch SG. They are narrower, like the mini-mule.

The Pig-90 gets this sound really well, more bass than the standard P-90, but still clarity.

Dannysigma · « **Reply #11 on:** December 17, 2005, 11:08:45 PM »

Hi
I have a Les Paul Studio Gem which has P90s as standard and cost a whisker over £500: I can highly recommend it too (if you can find one...). Though the stock pickups are pretty good, I'll still be changing them for BKPs sometime soon as they always make guitars sound better.[/quote]

Dannysigma · « **Reply #12 on:** December 17, 2005, 11:09:48 PM »

Hi
I have a Les Paul Studio Gem which has P90s as standard and cost a whisker over £500: I can highly recommend it too (if you can find one...). Though the stock pickups are pretty good, I'll still be changing them for BKPs sometime soon as they always make guitars sound better.[/quote]

Toon · « **Reply #13 on:** December 27, 2005, 09:11:09 PM »

I've got bkp-91s in my goldtop deluxe and I think its a perfect combination: I can get really clean, defined tones and they dont muddy up in higher gain settings. I play trough an orange rocker30, which might be in the general region of your matamp tonewise (esp the natural channel). I have to admit I'm kinda singlecoil subjective.