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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2010, 08:45:47 AM »
rape caught on video -

http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=eFhOyMbfOnE

tears.

I think he did a pretty good job - very impressive freehand routing skills! 

Me, I wouldn't hesitate to rout a Highway 1, but I wouldn't do it like that.... and I would NEVER sit with a powered-up router clutched between my thighs six inches from my bollocks.  I may not need 'em much, but I'd rather keep 'em....  :x

:lol: :lol:

Perhaps he was wearing a box (UK cricketing term - I think it's called a cup in the US?).

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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2010, 03:44:38 PM »
Routing skill or not - sounds pretty damn sweet to me!
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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2010, 09:12:15 PM »
Buy a tele with HB's and put PK's in them.

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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2010, 11:19:44 PM »
I would say, check out the Piledriver or buy a Tele with buckers. Another option is to install Blackguards and get yourself an fat and dynamic tubeamp, like the Orange Rockerverb. They work better with singlecoils than with humbuckers, is my experience.
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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2010, 11:17:17 AM »
Maybe a Jim Root tele would be something for you. It has active EMG pickups, but they can always be switched along with the pots and caps to a set of BKPs.

http://www.fender.com/products/search.php?partno=0134444706
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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2010, 03:02:57 PM »
Dear God, it's just a Road Worn. Mexican Strats and Teles manufactured with improper bridge alignment, every one of them has the strings falling off the treble side of the neck up at the top.

Yeah, they feel great but need different pickups and a good setup, and the import bridges are really terrible.

The suggestion has already been made and I would wholeheartedly agree.
Replace the bridge with a Gotoh modern humbucker Tele and throw a Nailbomb in there.
Replace the neck pup with a hot single coil.
Done, and you've improved the guitar x1000.
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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2010, 03:12:39 PM »
I'm 100% with Copperhead!

It is not such a big deal at all.  :?
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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2010, 04:00:32 PM »
Dear God, it's just a Road Worn. Mexican Strats and Teles manufactured with improper bridge alignment, every one of them has the strings falling off the treble side of the neck up at the top.

Well, I have two RW strats, and they don't have strings falling off the treble side (I did have to reseat one of the necks, but for different reasons) ... nor did any of the RW teles I've tried have this problem... so, er, quite not every one of them :D

They do indeed need some setting up, but no less than all the other guitars I've bought in the last couple of years.

But, other than that - I'm fully in agreement, Copperhead, and it's exactly what I thought at the start of this thread: as much as I love this range myself, "it is just a Road Worn" :lol:
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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2010, 04:05:39 PM »
I'm 110% with AndyR.... (because of his experience and love for the series)

It is a Road Worn not an original Nocaster.
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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2010, 04:10:54 PM »
Dear God, it's just a Road Worn. Mexican Strats and Teles manufactured with improper bridge alignment, every one of them has the strings falling off the treble side of the neck up at the top.

Are you saying the neck needs proper alignment in its pocket (a setup tweak), or that the bridge is actually fitted in the wrong place?  Surely with Fender's production facilities and use of CNC the latter shouldn't be happening?

It may be "just" a Road Worn, but even on a £130 Squier I'd expect the bridge to be in the right place.  :?
« Last Edit: July 10, 2010, 04:43:06 PM by Philly Q »
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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2010, 06:14:00 PM »
OK, to be fair, the Strats I've seen are worse than the Teles, and I've handled dozens of them in the Phoenix area.
ALL the Mexico imports use the import bridges which are a different spacing than the USA Strats and Teles.
My theory is that they are using the old 50's neck and body profiles but goofed on compensating for the import bridge.
Are the saddles on the bridge off center? Is the whole bridge pushed to one side of the toolpath on the CNC layout and NOT centered?
I don't know, haven't disassembled one and measured the drill holes.
Hopefully this was just on the first couple of runs and they've sorted it out since.
We do usually get first run stuff quickly here, Fender HQ is in Scottsdale.
Anyways, my point is, it's not a Custom Shop or a real Nocaster or anything.
It's Mexico Tele. They are hit and miss. I've got an awesome Mexico Deluxe Players Strat.
To make it truly legendary, it needs what ALL Mexico Strats/Teles need.
Throw away the cruddy import bridge, caps, pups, other assorted hardware.
Put in some BK's and a proper bridge.
This would fix any alignment problems.

On the ones I've played, some worse than others, on about 17-18 and up, the high E string comes down right on the edge of the finished fret end and has a pronounced tendency to fall right off the fret board.
Here are some random large images from stores etc, that I just quickly posted from a general image search.
The weird thing is I've not seen this on the other Mexico models, just the Road Worns.








OK!!! NOW....
Here's a nice USA picture that someone posted and I copied to my photobucket.
It's got the USA bridge on it, the vintage-y radius and fret wire.
BUT - look at the string spacing and how the strings align at the top.
Just enough on the bass side, just like the Road Worns.... HOWEVER -
The important thing is that there is tons of room on the treble side for vibrato etc, and there's no way you're going to accidentally pull off the neck!

« Last Edit: July 10, 2010, 06:37:09 PM by Copperhead »
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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2010, 06:54:22 PM »
OK - Just found this:

Fender made from 1954 - 1969
2 7/32 string spacing

American Reissue Strat or
Highway 1 Strat (up to & including year 2005) or
Custom Shop Relic or
WD exact vintage or
Stewart MacDonald vintage or
Jimmie Vaughan Strat or
Eric Johnson Strat
2 7/32 string spacing

Made in Japan Reissue Strat
Note: Japanese reissues have varying tolerances through the years. Also check for 2 7/32 string spacing.

Left-handed Vintage or
Stevie Ray Vaughan Strat (SRV)
2 7/32 string spacing

Made in Mexico Classic (50's,60's,70's) or
Mexican Gold Plated Deluxe
6-pivot bridge
2 7/32 string spacing

Made in Mexico Standard Series Strat
6-pivot bridge
2 1/16 string spacing.

Made in Mexico Classic Player Strat
2-pivot bridge
2 1/16 string spacing.

Highway 1 Strat (2006 and later)
6-pivot bridge
2 1/16 string spacing.
2 7/32 mounting spacing

American Standard Strat or
American Series Strat or Strat Plus
2-pivot bridge
2 1/16 string spacing.

American Deluxe Series Strat or
Strat Ultra
2-pivot bridge
2 1/16 string spacing.

Made in Korea Lite Ash Strat
2-pivot bridge
2 1/16 string spacing.

SO the Road Worn Strats have 2 7/32" spacing and are not aligned the best...
The other Mexico Strats, (6 screw) and the American modern 2 point are 2 1/16".

Now I gotta search and see what they did to the Teles...
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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2010, 06:56:38 PM »
OK, thanks for that, I see what you mean.  :)

I think it is a string spacing issue, but I don't think it's due to "import" hardware, although the hardware isn't as good quality as the US hardware. 

The Road Worns (and US vintage/reissues etc) use the US vintage spacing at the bridge of 2-7/32" (56mm) which always left one or both of the outer strings pretty close to the fingerboard edges, especially when the neck alignment needs a tweak.

The American Standards (and newer Highway Ones, and MIM Standards) have 2-1/16 (52.5mm) string spacing at the bridge so the outer strings sit further in from the fingerboard edges.

(The reason I was concerned about this is that I'm thinking of buying a Road Worn.  :wink: )



(Edit:  Ah, you posted again with that spacing info and made my post redundant - I was replying to the post with the pictures!  :lol: )
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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #28 on: July 10, 2010, 07:13:35 PM »
K - The vintage saddle Teles are 2-3/16" and the modern saddle are 2-1/8".
Not as huge as a difference as the Strats, but this follows what I felt when playing them, "...the Strats I've seen are worse than the Teles..."
I've copied two pictures from the Fender website so you can see what I'm talking about.

So I stand by my original assertion in saying that you can only improve a Road Worn by swapping pups and bridges, and that you shouldn't needlessly worry about depreciating the value as it is "only" an import model, not a Custom Shop or original vintage piece.

Look closely at where the high E aligns at the end of the fretboard.


« Last Edit: July 10, 2010, 07:15:17 PM by Copperhead »
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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2010, 07:26:26 PM »
(Edit:  Ah, you posted again with that spacing info and made my post redundant - I was replying to the post with the pictures!  :lol: )

Ah - sorry, just trying to get the facts!
I do love the aging treatment to the necks, but they just didn't feel "right" when soloing...
As I started examining them closely, I was startled to notice every one I've seen in person had the High E string right on the edge, and more room on the bass side.

Hopefully today I've been able to quantify why that is so, and hopefully Fender will push the bridge over a little to the bass side or go with a different spacing on future runs.
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