Smooth Pickup?

[gepetto33]

Everyone feel free to flame this guy on outta here, but truthfully -

No pickup company gives you any real idea of how their pickup sounds.  At the very least, SD plays the same guitar, through the same amp on the same settings for every pickup, to give you an objective comparison between the pickups. And you know what happens...... you realize there isn't much difference between the pickups, and how very sterile they sound.

Don't even mention Dimarzio's site, oh dear lord.  Each of their clips has either a shamefully bad modern rock band with horrible tone or a Steve Vai shredfest.  So unless you're impressed by such cheap antics; then really you're back to square one - having no idea how the pickup sounds.

Bare Knuckle at least has a loyal and comprehensive community of player that's affable enough to help with the same old questions, over and over-again from people "on the fence" about pickups.  Not to mention they post boat-loads of clips - (try searching "Bare Knuckle" at  http://www.netmusicians.org/ and see how many of these same forum members have clips on there, that site alone will give you 100+ clips of BKP's).

If you're going to make judgement on their "lack of description", then be fair enough to acknowledge any pickup manufacturer as guilty of this. Without community/forums - unless you get a good recommendation somebody in real life - you're never going to know how any pickup is going to work in your guitar, nor it's actual quality until you just take a chance and put it in there! The community surrounding this product is more comprehensive than any, not to mention the owner spends all day answering emails about pickup recommendations!  

Who knows where you went wrong in the hunt for a BKP, but if you want a Dimarzio, then quit being pouty and go buy one - stop posting here about it.

[ericsabbath]

the holy diver is very smooth and fluid on leads
the neck version of the miracle man works pretty well in the bridge too

[MetalMongolito]

Don't know much about BKP's. It's kinda hard to know which BKP to get also, there isn't much info about the pickups.

Dimarzio have pretty good pickups if you want smoothness.

So no I will probably not find a BKP to suit since the info is very poor. Maybe you can find one?

Errm.. You should really try reading this forum rather than answering questions then. :roll:

So no I will probably not find a BKP to suit since the info is very poor.

Excuse me for sounding rude but that is a very strange and, dare I say it, ignorant comment to make.  :?

Have you bothered having a look on the forum? With just a few minutes of searching you can find a whole host of opinions (and recordings) for the majority of BKPs.

Are you guys for real?!

I was recommending a pickup for the thread starter then I get slammed for not recommending a BKP. Thats just great, then I'm the ignorant one?

So you're basically saying to the thread starter to read the forum and stop asking for a pickup! Way to go!

Just for the record Paul Gilbert plays DIMARZIO

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[MetalMongolito]

Everyone feel free to flame this guy on outta here, but truthfully -

No pickup company gives you any real idea of how their pickup sounds.  At the very least, SD plays the same guitar, through the same amp on the same settings for every pickup, to give you an objective comparison between the pickups. And you know what happens...... you realize there isn't much difference between the pickups, and how very sterile they sound.

Don't even mention Dimarzio's site, oh dear lord.  Each of their clips has either a shamefully bad modern rock band with horrible tone or a Steve Vai shredfest.  So unless you're impressed by such cheap antics; then really you're back to square one - having no idea how the pickup sounds.

Bare Knuckle at least has a loyal and comprehensive community of player that's affable enough to help with the same old questions, over and over-again from people "on the fence" about pickups.  Not to mention they post boat-loads of clips - (try searching "Bare Knuckle" at  http://www.netmusicians.org/ and see how many of these same forum members have clips on there, that site alone will give you 100+ clips of BKP's).

If you're going to make judgement on their "lack of description", then be fair enough to acknowledge any pickup manufacturer as guilty of this. Without community/forums - unless you get a good recommendation somebody in real life - you're never going to know how any pickup is going to work in your guitar, nor it's actual quality until you just take a chance and put it in there! The community surrounding this product is more comprehensive than any, not to mention the owner spends all day answering emails about pickup recommendations!  

Who knows where you went wrong in the hunt for a BKP, but if you want a Dimarzio, then quit being pouty and go buy one - stop posting here about it.

Dimarzio have the best guide in text for sure. Out of the known companies, BKP included. You can listen to soundclips all day long it won't help you. Won't tell you how it will sound in your guitar with your amp, with your speakers, in your room. Soundclips for pickups are pretty pointless. But kinda fun to listen to. Thats the reason Dimarzio doesn't put soundclips on their site. They rather put up clips of musicans that uses the pups, to give an idea which music the pickup is capable of doing.

Dimarzio have an output guide the way they measure the output in MV, which is far better than any other manufacturer I've seen. How do I now which of the Warpig or Painkiller has the highest output, I don't, I need to send a $%&#ing mail to ask. I don't need to when I'm at Dimarzio's site because they have it black on white already!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not slamming BKP or any other manufacturer. I'm just saying.

To say that Dimarzio have a bad info is just pure bullshiteeeeeeee.

Dimarzio and Duncan also have a forum.

I'm still the ignorant one, right?  :lol:


Am I not allowed to talk about other pickups on this forum? If so this forum is just cr@p and I don't want to be a part of it anyway. Have a nice weekend.

[ericsabbath]

who cares?
dimarzio sucks, anyway :lol:

maybe Tim should add a tone chart comparing BKPs to other brands
that would be something like:

                          Info      Tone
Bare Knuckle           4         10
Seymour Duncan      8          7
Dimarzio                10          3

[gepetto33]

You can listen to soundclips all day long it won't help you. Won't tell you how it will sound in your guitar with your amp, with your speakers, in your room.

Wrong. You listen to clips with guitars/amps/tones similar to your application and use community input, such as forums to get a take on who's used what guitar for what purpose, etc.  Yes, at that point you still have to take the plunge; and if it's wrong you're still alot closer to the objective than with nothing but text, by some douchebag talking about what Steve Vai likes.

Dimarzio have an output guide they way they measure the output in MV, which is far better than any other manufacturer I've seen. How do I now which of the Warpig or Painkiller has the highest output, I don't, I need to send a $%&#ing mail to ask. I don't need to when I'm at Dimarzio's site because they have it black on white already!

I'm not sure what it is you're reading and where, but on Bare Knuckles home page every pickup has an output rating.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not slamming BKP or any other manufacturer. I'm just saying.

To say that Dimarzio have a bad info is just pure bullshiteeee.

All i'm saying is Dimarzio's site, with descriptions, specs, and info get you about as close to finding the right pickup as any other Pickup home page - which is nowhere.  You either get in, listen to some clips, interact with the community as to your subjective application, or you choose a pickup based on some cheesy literature and output specs.  All the info and advice is here, if you can't find enough satisfactory knowledge on Bare Knuckle pickups, then run back to Dimarzio.  Nobody cares or needs your whining about what they do or don't do, we obviously like them and feel confident in the ability to interact and find the answers we need about these pickups.

[Philly Q]

Dimarzio and Duncan also have a forum.

I'm still the ignorant one, right?  :lol:


Am I not allowed to talk about other pickups on this forum? If so this forum is just cr@p and I don't want to be a part of it anyway. Have a nice weekend.

Of course you can talk about other pickups on this forum.

But the point is, this is the Bare Knuckle Pickups forum.  They own it, they pay for it.

So to come on the forum, slag off the website and recommend a rival manufacturer's product, all within your first 10 posts, is simple bad manners.

[Roobubba]

Bad manners, ignorant, and cretinous.

But otherwise, welcome to the forum. The Bareknuckle Pickups forum, in case you weren't quite sure.

Just what do you think the reaction would be on the Dimarzio forum if someone came along saying "You won't find a Dimarzio pickup to match that sound, you definitely need to get a BKP?"

Moron.

[MetalMongolito]

Haha you guys are hilarious. Worst forum I've ever signed up to. I'll be happy not to visit anymore.

Just for the record. I did not say there is no BKP to suit him. I simply recommended a pickup that I know works for what he asked for, then I got slammed for it by an idiot who didn't add anything relevant at all to the topic.

Good bye.

[Afghan Dave]

MetalMongolito we are so sorry to lose your contribution to the BKP forum...

[Philly Q]

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[wince]Oooh.... hate being PC, but I'm not happy with that joke/picture.[/wince]

[Afghan Dave]

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[wince]Oooh.... hate being PC, but I'm not happy with that joke/picture.[/wince]

No worries mate - it's gone.

[MDV]

Well, that was a pretty little storm in a teacup

fwiw, since the storm has passed, I've seen the duncan #2 guy, whatever his name is, go on the duncan forum and warn people off talking about BKs :lol: (never been to the dimarzio forum). And as for info, try ringing dimarzio and talking to larry for an hour about pickups! Tim will give you BK (and pickup in general) information overload :lol:

Anyway, moving on, the bridge that I've used thats most likely to also deliver tones that might, with some settings jiggery pokery, and a little imagination (OK, a lot) sound like a neck as well is.....dun dun derrrr....the warpig. Cos its really fat. You could dial back the gain, roll off the tone and even raise the neck-wards screws a bit so youre getting a stronger signal from the portion of the pickup thats furthest from the bridge, drop some treble off the amp and you MIGHT get in neck territory. Maybe. On reflection its probably youre best chance because of the double screw pole, not just cos its fat

so

Whatever pickup you get, get double screw pole, so you can raise the screws furthest from the bridge so it sounds more necky. Its never going to sound 'like a neck' but it will sound 'MORE like a neck'.

yes, that. Thats my best recommendation for the thread. Whatever pickup you get, get double screw pole.

Now try and order a double screw pole dimarseio (thats not already double screw pole, that is) :lol:

[Roobubba]

Okay, let's look at the evidence.

OP comes to the forums, asking for advice. Gets some very good advice to check caps pots and so on, and a few suggestions relating to the pickup.
Then random mongol joins and suggests a non BKP on the BKP forums (not that this in itself is wrong, but if you don't know anything about BKPs and you've just joined here, you might like to check out forum etiquette first. For all you know, EVERY BKP might sound like a neck pickup (thankfully they don't)).
I point out that you may find a BKP to suit, which, given we're on the BKP forums, isn't unreasonable.
Then this:

Hi Guys!
I Just built a guitar, and now need the best pickups for it...
But I have an issue...
The guitar is a single humbucker strat style guitar, which i bought because i did some artwork on the body. The thing is though, I'm a total neck pickup addict, and am stuck with merely a bridge pickup. So guys, what pickup would be the smoothest for my leads to best replicate my neck pup, but still crunchy enough for paul gilbert type rhythm tones?
Thanks in advance for the help!

Definitely the Dimarzio ToneZone. It's very smooth sounding, very fat. And it's one of Paul Gilbert's favorite pickups so I'm pretty sure you can nail Paul Gilbert sound with it if you want to :)

Be aware that it can get a bit muddy if you tune down, but as long as you're in standard or Eb it's a killer pickup for the bridge with a really fat sound. Another option could be the Dimarzio Breed, it's very similar to the ToneZone but the cons are that it's uglier than the ToneZone and that Paul Gilbert doesn't use it.

**Ahem**  BKP forums...

You will probably find a BKP to suit ;)

Roo

Don't know much about BKP's. It's kinda hard to know which BKP to get also, there isn't much info about the pickups.

Dimarzio have pretty good pickups if you want smoothness.

So no I will probably not find a BKP to suit since the info is very poor. Maybe you can find one?

So you know nothing about BKPs and aren't able to offer advice about which, if any, would suit, then you go on to say that you probably wouldn't find a BKP to suit (poor choice of words).

I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds something wrong with this cretin's contribution to the forums so far.

I must point out that in general the people round here are a) very knowlegeable and b) very helpful, which is an excellent combination. Of course this is in general and there are always exceptions. I've always found the advice on here very solid, and it's a friendly place, too.

Perhaps if you'd have phrased your statement along the lines:
"I don't know anything about BKPs so can't recommend those, but I have specific experience of trying to get a neck sound from a bridge pickup, and found I was able to do that with a Dimarzio X pickup. Perhaps someone could advise what BKPs may be similar to this?"
Then you may have avoided this whole thing.

But you didn't. I suspect you rub people up the wrong way in real life, too, tbh.

Roo

[Philly Q]

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[wince]Oooh.... hate being PC, but I'm not happy with that joke/picture.[/wince]

No worries mate - it's gone.

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