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Roobubba

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Re: NAW (New amp week)
« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2010, 09:40:32 AM »
Damn you! I'm happy with my 5150-II. I'm happy with my 5150-II. I'm happy with my 5150-II.
GAH!

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Re: NAW (New amp week)
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2010, 02:13:53 PM »
nice!

i agree about the jvm, i was pleasantly surprised when i tried it.

and vhts (fryettes) are great, just a shame they're so dear here.

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Re: NAW (New amp week)
« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2010, 05:25:49 PM »
It has indeed been fun here

Really pleased with the selection of amps; they all do their own  thing, they all do at least one thing very, very well and theres little overlap between them. Its great.

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Re: NAW (New amp week)
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2010, 05:37:42 PM »
nice!

i agree about the jvm, i was pleasantly surprised when i tried it.

and vhts (fryettes) are great, just a shame they're so dear here.

If you think they're deer here don't look at the actual american prices! Iirc, the UL sells for 3500/3800 dollars, we get it for 2600 quid!  8)

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Re: NAW (New amp week)
« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2010, 07:39:24 PM »
er... that's cheaper than here, surely? :lol: (but not as much cheaper as I'd have thought, to be fair)

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Re: NAW (New amp week)
« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2010, 09:04:10 PM »
Sorry if I'm missing something  :oops: you mean accounting for the exchange rate, right? That would leave a difference of 350quid (3500usd=2250gbp) or so profit on an UL. By the time you account for customs and delivery to the UK the distributor probably doesn't make a massive profit. If the exchange rate was fair then we'd be paying alot more! They are expensive amps, though!... and worth every penny imo :-p

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Re: NAW (New amp week)
« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2010, 04:25:06 PM »
oh yeah, sure, i just meant a straight conversion of the price you'd pay to get one in the US versus the price you'd pay here.

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Re: NAW (New amp week)
« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2010, 11:06:01 PM »
I've been looking at Fryettes, is there any difference between the CLX and UL besides the tubes as lew said?

How's it compare to the powerball, especially for the br00talz? :D
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Re: NAW (New amp week)
« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2010, 12:02:06 AM »
I've been looking at Fryettes, is there any difference between the CLX and UL besides the tubes as lew said?

How's it compare to the powerball, especially for the br00talz? :D

The preamps are identical, differences are the power section and that the CLX is 'master built' which means it gets extra attention to the guts and 'carefully selected' valves etc... the CLX is the flagship Fryette. The UL will have more of the VHT/Fryette voice - dry, fast attack etc... than the CLX. I've not found an ENGL that comes anywhere close to a Fryette and I'm quite fond of the Fireball.
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Re: NAW (New amp week)
« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2010, 12:30:24 AM »
I've been looking at Fryettes, is there any difference between the CLX and UL besides the tubes as lew said?

How's it compare to the powerball, especially for the br00talz? :D

To give a more detailed analysis than just preference (lew ;))

They are pretty much opposite ends of the metal tone scale. The CL is very dry, the PB is very wet. The CL tends toward dark and if you dial in a lot of treble it leas toward runch with bit of sizzle, where the PB has a very much brighter character and always has a somewhat fizzy top end to it. The both have very fast response, but the PB is faster and more aggressive. It also has a lot more gain on tap, but no more than half of it is usable on channel 3 and 4 (it goes to fizz and mush; I use channel 4 most, and with the gain on about 3-4), whereas you can whack the CLs gain right up, and theres a lot of it, but its all good.

Single notes sound fatter on the VHT and the mids are bigger, the whole sound is richer and fuller, whereas teh PB is more cutting and grinding with thinner single note sounds and more blended chords

If you want an extreme modern sound for mechanical, hyper-precise metal then the PB is better. Its bright character lets it stand up to heavy detuning better as well (the CL is tight enough but the top end may lack a little for some tastes/styles). The CL is thicker and more dynamic; you can impart different inflections to notes and chords with pick attack much better, where the PB is a more notes are on or off type thing. The PBs low end is pure thumping chug, and the amp doesnt have a lot of character in the low mids. The lows and low mids of the CL growl and snarl at you much more. The CL is a much nicer amp for leads, but they each have a different character for metal rhythm and I like both.

If their sonic characters are best represented in anything, or if any tones remind me of each, then the PB would be necrophagist (who I believe use engls, and if not they've managed to make something sound very 'engl') and unearth III or either of Misery indexes last two albums (I think they use mesa or peavey, but you could get those tones from a CL as well).

Except the cleans. I like the PBs cleans much better than the ULs; chimier and clearer; the CLs have a darker character and twang a bit too much. As such I currently have the CL red channel dialed in to a middy lead sound (which its great at) and a slightly scooped rhythm on the green, both with the gain on about 7.

Oh, and the PB turns down much better than the CL. The CLs alright at low volumes in the grand scheme of high wattage, high gain amps, but it doesnt come into its own at all until its more than a little loud. The PB comes into its own at a much lower volume and just gets louder, but doesnt really change the character of the sound as it does so.

Due to the characters of the sound, while on their own each amp can be very loud, I wouldnt be surprised if the CL chewed up the PB and spat it out in a 2 guitar live setting. Same with the JVM. But they're all recording amps so I dont care about that. If I were to gig, though, I would use the VHT out of the three of them. I think it would have the best ballance of fitting my style/songs and holding its own on a stage. For my recordings I fully plan to keep using the PB and introduce the CL as well. The JVM will no doubt get a look in, but I mainly got that to be able to provide more classic rock and 'early' metal tones to people I record.
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Re: NAW (New amp week)
« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2010, 10:23:00 AM »
Very informative, thanks Mark.

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Re: NAW (New amp week)
« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2010, 03:04:27 PM »
Quite welcome roo.

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Re: NAW (New amp week)
« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2010, 03:55:38 PM »
They are pretty much opposite ends of the metal tone scale.

Now I want to hear an A/B clip even more now!!!

Just a thought but couldn't you put kt88s in your CL to get closer the UL, maybe try them in the ENGL too ;)

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Re: NAW (New amp week)
« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2010, 10:23:48 PM »
I'm not sitting around doing A/B clips, JDC.

I will inevitably record something with each. Just taking a break from mixing probably the best powerball tones I've recorded, and with the permission of the songwriters (its not mine) I'll post that.

The others as and when, so ner!

I could mod the CL, or get it modded, but I dont want to at the moment, it sounds great as it is. I'm just curious about the UL is all - the differences sound like they'd take it even more in a direction I'd like.

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Re: NAW (New amp week)
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2010, 06:02:51 PM »
I ain't done any recording for ages, last thing I did was put some drums to a clip that Roo sent me. Found a nice clip of distorted chords on the CL, like damn!!! Best note separation I think I've ever heard.

Had a random idea last night, plug the engl preamp into the VHT power amp and visa versa. My brain has this idea that VHT power amps are the best there is for modern metal, can't remember where I picked that opinion up from.
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