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I FINALLY got chance to try out some amps.........
« on: August 25, 2010, 09:32:40 PM »
Hey guys.

As part of my search for my new amp, I'm sure I've got on more than enough peoples nerves here asking questions all the time  :lol:, I decided to bite the bullet and do the 1.5 hour drive out to Sounds Great Music in Cheadle to try out some stuff and see if anything caught my eye. I took my own Gibson Les Paul Standard with AIV Mules as it's a guitar I'm very familiar with.

I only managed to try 4 amps, 2 heads and 2 combos, and I think I've finally decided on something!  :D

Splawn Quick Rod head - This was the 1st amp I tried when I got there. It was into a Diamond Amplification 4x12 cab (not sure what speakers it had) and it pretty much hit the nail on the head of what I'm looking for tone wise. I was extremely surprised by the clean channel, going by reviews I was expecting something barely more than 'useable', and think it'd sound even better with something with single coils. The OD channels (with it's various modes and 'gears') will cover everything from AC/DC Crunch upto 'modded Marshall' 80s style levels of gain. It may do heavier metal levels of gain, but as I don't play much of that, I didn't push it up too far. 1 thing I did notice was that no matter how high I put the gain up, you could hear every note in every chord.

Egnater Tourmaster 4100 head - This is a 10/25/50/100w switchable 4 channel head with clean, clean 2, OD1 and OD2 channels. Each channel has 3 band EQ, gain and volume controls as well as Classic/Modern modes and also a switchable contour control that gave more of a mid scoop to the tone. Either clean could be setup from a very clean (and slightly sterile sounding sound) to something with a bit more hair to it. Set clean, the 1st 2 channels sounded good, if slightly bland, but I didn't like them at all when set with more grit. The tone really thinned out and lost any sort of fullness. OD 1 was good as a heavy rhythm channel, with JCM800 levels of gain available. OD was very similar but had even more gain on tap. I won't compare it to anything in particular as it's been a hell of a long time since I've used a high gain amp, and I wouldn't know what it compares to tonally  :lol: While sounding perfectly ok, both OD channels were very loose and had quite a fizzy sounding top end that I couldn't seem to EQ out.

Splawn Street Rod combo - This is a 40w 1x12 combo with pretty much the same features as the head I tried. The clean channel was good, but didn't have the same fullness as the head did. I know this is down to the 4x12 Vs the 1x12, but the combo also lacked the gain control that the Quick Rod had. It didn't really add gain, it seemed to add mids and fullness that the combo lacked. The same thing with the OD channels really, a perfectly good tone but just seemed to lack something compared to the head. For alot of people this combo may be a better option as I was able to crank the amp alot higher than I was the head, without using the loop master volume trick atleast, which would make it more user friendly in the real world of gigs.

Hughes & Kettner Switchblade combo - This is a valve combo with built in FX and MIDI capability to store all your amp, FX and volume settings into 128 MIDI switchable patches. It had 4 amp modes Clean, Crunch, Lead and Ultra all of which, imo sounded dreadful. I really struggled to get a sound of this amp that I found useable, let alone something I liked. The clean sounds very very bland, the crunch very thin and brittle. The higher gain tones sounded very fake, almost like a cheap distortion pedal. For someone that uses more FX, this may be an ideal amp as it'd let you use pretty much nothing other than the amp, as long as you'd have the time to sit and tweak everything as it looked like a very indepth amp, but it's definitely not for me.

Based on this, I think I'm going to pickup the Quick Rod at the weekend  :D
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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2010, 09:40:16 PM »
If you see Greg at that place say hello.

I used to be very tempted by splawn, but from what i've read, the quickrod sounded really bright I think, and the nitro super dark. I went for something else in the end as i couldnt try the splawns out. The other thing I don't like about the splawn is that you HAVE to use the footswitch to go through the gears right?

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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2010, 10:16:47 PM »
If you see Greg at that place say hello.

I used to be very tempted by splawn, but from what i've read, the quickrod sounded really bright I think, and the nitro super dark. I went for something else in the end as i couldnt try the splawns out. The other thing I don't like about the splawn is that you HAVE to use the footswitch to go through the gears right?

To be honest, I was expecting the same thing before I tried 1. Most, if not all, of the clips and videos I can find of them they're tweaked for a thinner more cutting tone. The EQ controls on it were very good, and I had no difficulty filling out the tone with some bass and low mids, while keeping a nice bright (but not shrill) top end.

The footswitch shipped with the Splawn allows Clean/OD, OD1/OD2 and solo boost to be changed from the 3 button footswitch, and changing between gears on the amp directly. By using a switching system, or 2 2 channel footswitches, it allows you to change between OD1/OD2 and solo boost on 1 footswitch and Clean/OD and Low Gear/High Gear on the 2nd footswitch.
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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2010, 10:20:14 PM »
Good stuff

Thanks for the run-down. Interesting. I'd have hoped for better from the HK.

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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2010, 10:27:35 PM »
Good stuff

Thanks for the run-down. Interesting. I'd have hoped for better from the HK.

The HK and the Tourmaster are 2 of the most complicated amps I'd ever used upto that point. My main amp for the last 4 years has 3 EQ controls and a volume, so maybe it was me at fault and just not knowing how to get the best out of it.
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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2010, 10:28:42 PM »
yeah all that need for pedals threw me.
It was back when I wanted something simple that was just in and out. nothing too fancy and no excess pedals.

interesting that it sounded better than the clips though. id like to hear one.

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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2010, 10:54:45 PM »
yeah all that need for pedals threw me.
It was back when I wanted something simple that was just in and out. nothing too fancy and no excess pedals.

interesting that it sounded better than the clips though. id like to hear one.

I'd always liked the clips, otherwise I wouldn't have been interested in the amp, but I always felt like I'd personally want a bit more bass in the tone.

It's quite a simple amp really; just 2 channels with their own EQ and gain controls. The OD1/OD2 is a preset gain boost (so no extra tweaking needed) and the gears are a simple tweak right on the amp.
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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2010, 11:06:48 PM »
Good stuff

Thanks for the run-down. Interesting. I'd have hoped for better from the HK.

The HK and the Tourmaster are 2 of the most complicated amps I'd ever used upto that point. My main amp for the last 4 years has 3 EQ controls and a volume, so maybe it was me at fault and just not knowing how to get the best out of it.

Some amps with lots of controls going on can take a while to dial in, but what comes more or less right out of them shouldnt be bad. You didnt like them, fair play, I've heard people not like them before (I believe Ben hates HK amps; I seem to remember him making some damning comment or other on them) and I've heard people rave about them (and egnater). I havent heard them in person myself so I dont know.

I like a tweakers amp as much as any other tweaker, but if the sound doesnt seem like it can get somewhere for you when you plug in on 5-5-5 and something sensible volume wise and appropriate for your style gain wise, its probably never going to.

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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2010, 11:19:12 PM »
Some amps with lots of controls going on can take a while to dial in, but what comes more or less right out of them shouldnt be bad. You didnt like them, fair play, I've heard people not like them before (I believe Ben hates HK amps; I seem to remember him making some damning comment or other on them) and I've heard people rave about them (and egnater). I havent heard them in person myself so I dont know.

I like a tweakers amp as much as any other tweaker, but if the sound doesnt seem like it can get somewhere for you when you plug in on 5-5-5 and something sensible volume wise and appropriate for your style gain wise, its probably never going to.

That's where I started on all the amps I tried: EQ and gain to 12 o clock as a start point and go from there. Both the Splawns sounded Good like this, as did the Egnater, but nothing I did to the HK gave it a tone I liked much. I didn't even touch the FX tbh and I had the reverb off too on all the amps as I don't use it anyway.

I've heard clips of the switchblade where it seemed like a perfectly good amp and very versatile, it just didn't work out for me in person.
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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2010, 01:11:26 AM »
Interesting and congrats on finding the amp you wanted!

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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2010, 09:40:24 AM »
good choice on the Quick Rod.
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« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2010, 09:53:04 AM »

I'm sure the QR is awesome.

You don't wanna try any more amps before taking the plunge?
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« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2010, 10:27:40 AM »
good choice on the Quick Rod.
If you fancy a brew or a pub lunch me and Shobet may well be about. Feel free to PM

Cheers Matt.

I don't know what my plans are yet for picking it up as I have to fit it in around any plans my Dad may have, but I'll deffo keep it in mind  :D

I'm sure the QR is awesome.

You don't wanna try any more amps before taking the plunge?

My main problem is that I as there's no shops around me that sell anything other than low end Marshalls (MGs and the JM Series (the new low end chinese valve amps)) I have to find specific shops that have specific amps in stock that interest me. This could well take me alot more time and travel and seeing as I've found an amp that does exactly what I'm looking for, I thought I may as well take the plunge  :lol:
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« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2010, 10:37:01 AM »
Hey Brow,
I find that too. even in central london its hard to find anything that isn't as you describe.
some mesa, low end marshall, millions of tiny terrors... Angel Music has some classic marshalls i think, but if you want US boutique stuff it just isn't here. Can't even find a Cornford, and they are only made up the road.

When i went to Belgium briefly before summer, I happened to pass one shop in Antwerp maybe, and it stocked Matchless, Bad Cat... and had some Bogner cabs and all kinds of interesting. well, not MUCH more interesting stuff but more interesting than london.

its also a crying shame that sounds great are the only importers of a few brands.

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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2010, 10:53:56 AM »
Just get a Marshall 2203 reissue and a Boss OD-1, job done :)

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ok, I'm being facetious, but the point i'm trying to make is, some classic combos work so well that you hardly need to try them
« Last Edit: August 26, 2010, 10:55:42 AM by gwEm »
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