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« on: December 16, 2005, 09:18:55 AM »
was just browsing HC forum and seen this http://www.metacafe.com/watch/44026/video UNREAL OR WHAT!
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2005, 10:09:29 AM »
cool link, but I gotta say, i really dislike that guy's playing. To me, that kind of playing is becoming more and more irrelevant, sure it's technically impressive but there is NO MELODY...just descending and ascending through scales and playing cliche licks at fast speeds completely fails to impress me these days. It also serves as a reminder that technique does not equal good music..."Chit San Maung, from Myanmar" evidently has more chops than your average guitarist, but could he actually make a piece of music that is anything other than a vehicle for tireless widdling?
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2005, 10:26:52 AM »
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sure it's technically impressive but there is NO MELODY...just descending and ascending through scales and playing cliche licks at fast speeds completely fails to impress me these days.

...Have you seen the entire clip? I think there are lots of nice melodies and harmonies in there, especially in the second part, you just have to hear them. The only thing I don't like about the guy is the "I am a guitar god" attitude on stage, with all those gestures and movements. But that's the same with most "star" rock guitarists.

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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2005, 12:04:21 PM »
meh...I watched the first half then lost interest with it.

I just watched it again.

That song he plays by tapping when the guitar is on the guys head...what is that melody? It sounds like a Celine Dion song or something? I can't remember which one, but it defintely sounds a lot like something else.

Anyway, no, I still don't care for this at all. I can appreciate the guys technique, but it feels very much like music driven by ego rather than any sense of 'soul'.

And don't get me wrong - I'm not an anti-shred kinda guy. I love Vai, but even when Vai starts widdling incessently, it pisses me off. It almost ruins one of my favourite Vai songs (The Fire Garden Suite Angel Feet/Taurus Bulba bit)
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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2005, 03:20:27 PM »
Some great playing there, but stuff like that would be so much more impressive in a song context - playing it in 10-30 second bits for a long period of time ends up boring people. It'd be fantastic to hear that band's songs and in the middle of the song he does one of the tricks that sounds great - that's why you can listen to early Van Halen and be very impressed and not bored at all.

Is it me, or is this clip conclusive proof that you can be great on guitar and still fail to look cool?  :lol:

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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2005, 03:31:28 PM »
I think the 'song' in the tapping bit was "right here waiting for you" by richard marx. (pure cheese in music form IMO)
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2005, 04:28:07 PM »
I have to say it's impressive. But I agree it's irrelevant. To me it's musical masturbation. Just like Vai (ducks for cover) when I saw him on TV with the Metropole Orchestra.

(Still, I wish I could play like that)
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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2005, 04:37:02 PM »
Looks like i'm one of the only ones that loved that clip.

As for as shread clips go, thats on of the ones with the most melodys, i think it's a bit harsh saying he coudln't write a tune bassed on one short clip of him where he's just showing off different impressive techniques.

I'd loved to see him using those in a song, would be awsome.

Gonna have to search for more of his stuff now :D
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2005, 05:30:41 PM »
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i think it's a bit harsh saying he coudln't write a tune bassed on one short clip of him where he's just showing off different impressive techniques


that's not what I meant, I was just saying that showing off different impressive techniques works much better in songs as it keeps it more interesting - it ends up being a bit boring after a while just laying it all down at once in pieces thrown together.

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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2005, 05:55:38 PM »
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i think it's a bit harsh saying he coudln't write a tune bassed on one short clip of him where he's just showing off different impressive techniques.


but thats kind of my point...if he is the kind of musician who is driven by whatever it is that makes a person show off fancy tricks on stage for 5 minutes, then is he going to be the kind of musician who is able to write a brilliant, composed and well-structured, humble song? Sure, he might be able to, but I'm not convinced from watching that clip, not convinced at all.

I've been listening to a lot of jazz guys of late, and they really blow this guy away. People like Charlie Parker could play technically very accomplished pieces but it always had a musical goal in mind - it was always heading somewhere.

A friend and I were also just talking about this too. I know it may well be improvised but its symptomatic of a lot the things in shred guitar that I just don't like (please note, it's only my opinion). He is playing licks that he has obviously learnt previously, and playing them extremely fast. This isn't music that is 'in the moment', and just doesn't interest me as such....regarding improvisation, I was listening to the guitar album by Ali Farka Toure/Diamani Tuobate 'In The Heart Of The Moon' and happily listened to it many times thinking it was some of the best recorded acoustic guitar playing and songwriting I'd heard in a long long time. My jaw hit the floor when I found out it was all improvised.

I guess what I'm trying to say, is that - to me - this music has become irrelevant simply because I find it to be soulless. Musical instruments should be used to create music, and music is only impressive when judged as a complete whole, melody, rhythm, harmony, regardless of technique. There is nothing particularly out-of the-ordinary, apart from technique, in that guy's 5 minute spot.

(in my opinion  :wink: )
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« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2005, 06:27:42 PM »
I thought it was a very entertaining clip,and he didnt have a bad tone either!
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« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2005, 06:41:05 PM »
the 'keyboard' part on the guys head was a britney spears song. ummm i mean, i got told it was... umm yeah.
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« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2005, 07:03:16 PM »
^^^ fair enough but lets jsut leave it at a disagrement.

However i guess this makes me the kind of guitarist who can't write a good song either???

Ahwell...
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« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2005, 07:21:15 PM »
Obviously the guy has a great amount of ability and I would certainly not be negative about it. The only thing I would say is that if I could play like that I am not sure that I would. The punters were enjoying it and I think it is one of those"you had to be there" moments.
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« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2005, 07:58:22 PM »
That was the one of the most uninspiring things I've ever watched  :lol: Willo, can you recommend some good jazz bands to listen to?