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axisus

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Pickups - are they really all so different????
« on: September 20, 2010, 03:08:50 PM »
I want to upgrade my Ibanez JS100 pickups, and as I have a BK crawler in my PRS bridge that sounds really good, I thought I'd come on over and see what's around. I have to say that it's fairly baffling to come to the BK site and see the vast array of different pickups that are available!

Well, as the thread title says, are they really all so different? In my naivety, I'm kind of thinking that once you've cranked up and thrown a few FX in, are the differences really so discernable once you are talking about quality pups? It's difficult to know where to start really.

I asked BK for advice on a pickup for Satch type leads, but which also cleans up well when the volume is rolled off, and the Nailbomb was suggested. But having read a few things, I'm wondering if it might sound a bit bright as I have a maple neck and an Ebony fretboard?

I found the thread link with a lot of playing/test samples, but it's pretty hard to ascertain much with so many different guitars/amps/styles.

What to do!?!?!?!?!

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Re: Pickups - are they really all so different????
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2010, 05:06:23 PM »
Yes they are really that different.

But what sort of answer did you expect from the BK pickups board/one of its regulars :lol:

Seriously pickups can change the sound a lot

Or sometimes the difference can be underwhelming. It depends on the pickup and the guitar its placed in more than anything else.

Nailbomb for satch type leads is a good choice. It may be on the bright and crunchy side with maple+ebony, and the Edge will make things brighter still. But satch has a pretty bright and open tone.

If you want it to still be in the right ballpark and not be as bright or crunchy then the holy diver would suit.

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Re: Pickups - are they really all so different????
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2010, 05:06:48 PM »
What do you do? Simple! Buy a nailbomb, be happy :)  Tim's suggestions are rarely, if ever, mistaken. The man knows his pickups!!

When you get your nailbomb, try comparing it with your crawler. That will answer the 'are they really so different' question, too.

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Re: Pickups - are they really all so different????
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2010, 05:15:27 PM »
Ahhh....I skipped over that a little fast - yes, if its a Tim recommendation then, yes, he knows his pickups and is absolutely spot on in my experience.

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Re: Pickups - are they really all so different????
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2010, 05:42:13 PM »
What do you do? Simple! Buy a nailbomb, be happy :)  Tim's suggestions are rarely, if ever, mistaken. The man knows his pickups!!

When you get your nailbomb, try comparing it with your crawler. That will answer the 'are they really so different' question, too.

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Re: Pickups - are they really all so different????
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2010, 06:43:27 PM »
Unless you're going from a Stormy Monday to a Warpig, the difference is rarely night and day.  For example, an AIV Mule and an AIV Stormy Monday are pretty darn similar.

To state the obvious, if you look at the specs you'll work out how similar or different the pickups you're looking at are....

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Re: Pickups - are they really all so different????
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2010, 11:30:29 AM »
Thanks for the input everyone. All intelligent comments/advice!

To be honest I forgot to mention to Tim that I had a maple/ebony neck so I think I'll just fire over a query about that incase he has a different suggestion.

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Re: Pickups - are they really all so different????
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2010, 05:38:57 PM »
Depends on the amp/setup.

If you run through a load of processors and digital stuff into a compressed amp, there will be less difference. If you run with a highly cared for signal into a well maintained, dynamic amp, there will be huge differences between guitars/pickups and stuff.
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Re: Pickups - are they really all so different????
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2010, 06:46:39 PM »
I run through modellors and through a small valve amp. Ideally, I prefer guitar>lead>amp, nothing else... But even through modellors I've found different makes/models of pickup can make a noticable difference.

Also, something I've experienced a lot: the same set of BKPs moved from one guitar to another can be even more of a surprise. I have a guitar that's made two sets of BKPs (and two sets of Fender pickups) all sound remarkably similar :roll:. The BKPs are more "alive" and preferable for me, but even so they both felt much the same while playing the thing - put them in another guitar and they turn out to seem way different to each other.

There's loads of variables...

I pretty much picked my first BKP sets because I liked the names! But now I tend to pick BKPs based on roughly what I want the guitar to do and on what the guitar does already. I do a lot of reading/listening on here, then I go with my gut... When I put the new pickups in the guitar I kinda let them lead me where they want :lol:

So far, I've sometimes been surprised, but never disappointed with what happens. I've even bought two guitars to house BKPs I had in other guitars

Definitely get back to Tim if you neglected to mention a factor, but I agree with others - if Tim recommends something, that's likely to be the one that's needed :D
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Re: Pickups - are they really all so different????
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2010, 08:02:19 PM »
+1 to andy; there are usually pretty big differences between the same BK in different guitars as well as different BKs in the same guitar.

They let A LOT of the acoustic sound of the guitar through. Moreso than anything else I've used, and even the high output stuff.

I remember one particular miracle man that I had for a while. It saw action in
- "The Gimp/Frankenstien"; an old and heavily modded hondo somethingorother that I tested out many guitar techy things on in my early days
- An Epi LP
- A dean custom superstrat

This one pickup gave some sounds that are up there with the best I've had and it gave the single worst sound I've ever had!
In the Epi it CRUSHED. It was thick, dark, tight, heavy as all hell, somewhat scooped and very aggressive. In drop C (as it was tuned at the time) it was 'Black album tone on steroids'
In the dean, alder body, maple neck, FR, it was bright with some bass but not a hell of a lot, middy, palm mutes crunched more than hammered as in the LP and the whole pick response was different; twangier and a bit quacky, from the alder and trem, rather than the note-leaps-right-out-at-you from the fixed bridge and mahogany.
In the Gimp it was DREADFULL; nothing but a sheet of grating, peircing top end without any body at all, which is pretty much what that guitar sounded like acoustically then.

Moral of the story; yes the pickup matters, but the most important thing is exactly how the pickup interacts with the guitar. Its not always predictable, and sometimes only makes sense in hindsight, when you realise what parts of the guitars sound the pickup is emphasising and diminishing.

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Re: Pickups - are they really all so different????
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2010, 09:26:06 PM »
I agree with MDV. BKP's let shine your instrument and will emphasize the quality of the used woods. So every combination will sound a bit different.
Of course there is a difference in the tonal range of the BKP-line: extra bass, smaller bass, more mids, less mids, extra treble or tamed highs. The BKP's I use all have in common that they are very balanced from low to high and the noteseparation and punch are first clas.
To that come your (tube)amp and pedals. I like low to medium-output pickups best with highgainamps, but that is just my preference.
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