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Bang for buck strat
« on: October 12, 2010, 07:59:09 AM »
I am really interested in buying a strat, but at the time my budget is very limited. What do you recon is the best bang for the buck strat on the marked?
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Re: Bang for buck strat
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2010, 08:13:23 AM »
Squier Vintage Vibe, perhaps?

I've never tried one, but I hear they're very well made.


(Ooops, that's Classic Vibe, not Vintage.  :oops: )
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Re: Bang for buck strat
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2010, 08:19:03 AM »
i would think about a MIM with rosewood board. it will be easy to sell on with the fender logo, and also the hardware is pretty decent. i don't like poly finish on maple boards, which is why i've suggested rosewood
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Re: Bang for buck strat
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2010, 08:27:46 AM »
Bang for buck I'd say are the Roadworns (as long as you're ok with the finish!). However, I suspect they're out of your budget, as would be most US (MIA) stuff.

Of the ones I've played, the other Mexican models seem pretty good value. But I'd definitely want to try every one available to me before choosing one.

MIJ/CIJ are superbly made - and 2nd hand might well be in budget?

One word of warning though - MIJ/CIJ Fender seem to have a slightly different feel/vibe/tone than MIM, and then another slight difference for MIA. All of them are good, but people seem to have a preference for one vibe or another. Some strat anoraks don't like any MIMs (including the Roadworns) because, apparently, their bodies aren't quite the authentic shape on the rounding of the edges and the tummy tuck. However, and I'm almost an anorak, although there is a difference to my CIJ strat, it really doesn't bother me :lol:

If you're not worried about "Fender" on the headstock, and the thinner neck grabs you, the Squier Classic Vibe series are superb value for money. The ones I tried felt and played very much like my early 80s JV Squier did when it was new. I'd rate the CV's "guitar per £" up there with the Roadworns, the only reason I didn't get one is that I like my strats to feel a little more substantial nowadays.

I think the Squier CVs are probably the cheapest option out of all these. With any strat, cheapie all the way up to Custom Shop, try before you buy if you can - they are incredibly personal instruments. One man's dog is another man's "omigod!" guitar...

If you want to move outside of Fender/Fender-licensed, I don't know much about it all - but there's other folks on here who know plenty. My gut feeling is that the better non-Fenders will be outside budget (unless you're happy with 2nd hand). If you want a decent strat at low end, I reckon you need to try as many budget Fenders as you can - your guitar is hiding there somewhere!
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Re: Bang for buck strat
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2010, 08:55:50 AM »
Squier Classic Vibe or Vintage V6 would get my vote!

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Re: Bang for buck strat
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2010, 09:11:38 AM »
Squier Classic Vibe or Vintage V6 would get my vote!

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That's what I was talking about over "non-fender", I knew there was something I'd seen in the last few years that had tempted me (made me think "now that probably sounds/responds like a strat") but I couldn't remember what it was.... thanks Dave :D
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Re: Bang for buck strat
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2010, 09:24:20 AM »
No probs!

I've played a Thomas Blug signature V6 and while the setup was shocking (it was used, and probably abused) the core guitar was very nice.  And they're cheap as chips!

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Re: Bang for buck strat
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2010, 09:50:32 AM »
Thanks for your quick answers, gentlemen, which makes me think: Aren't threse guitar guys at work??? (that would include myself  :D)

Yesterday I tried out several different strats (only unplugged though) in a local shop. A 60's roadworn, MIA standard, a highway one, a MIM and a used Tokai goldstar.

None of the guitars truely spoke to me, but that might be because I'm not used to playing strats. I think the roadworn was the one i preffered the most as it had the best feel to it.

I got no problem with buying a second hand guitar and from time to time a check up on the local Danish second hand website to see if there's anything of interest. There was a Squire CV a few weeks ago at a reasonable price, but know it's gone  :(

I would like to try out the vintage v6, but I think think I can find them anywhere in Denmark.

I tried a VGS roadcruiser a week ago. Felt quite good considered the low price tag. It was their reliced model and I must say that it looks MUCH better and realistic in the photos that in the flesh/wood.

Seems like this turned out to be a semi "AndyR" post regarding length  :D
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Re: Bang for buck strat
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2010, 10:53:51 AM »
Bang for buck I'd say are the Roadworns (as long as you're ok with the finish!). However, I suspect they're out of your budget, as would be most US (MIA) stuff.

Of the ones I've played, the other Mexican models seem pretty good value. But I'd definitely want to try every one available to me before choosing one.

MIJ/CIJ are superbly made - and 2nd hand might well be in budget?

One word of warning though - MIJ/CIJ Fender seem to have a slightly different feel/vibe/tone than MIM, and then another slight difference for MIA. All of them are good, but people seem to have a preference for one vibe or another. Some strat anoraks don't like any MIMs (including the Roadworns) because, apparently, their bodies aren't quite the authentic shape on the rounding of the edges and the tummy tuck. However, and I'm almost an anorak, although there is a difference to my CIJ strat, it really doesn't bother me :lol:

If you're not worried about "Fender" on the headstock, and the thinner neck grabs you, the Squier Classic Vibe series are superb value for money. The ones I tried felt and played very much like my early 80s JV Squier did when it was new. I'd rate the CV's "guitar per £" up there with the Roadworns, the only reason I didn't get one is that I like my strats to feel a little more substantial nowadays.

I think the Squier CVs are probably the cheapest option out of all these. With any strat, cheapie all the way up to Custom Shop, try before you buy if you can - they are incredibly personal instruments. One man's dog is another man's "omigod!" guitar...

If you want to move outside of Fender/Fender-licensed, I don't know much about it all - but there's other folks on here who know plenty. My gut feeling is that the better non-Fenders will be outside budget (unless you're happy with 2nd hand). If you want a decent strat at low end, I reckon you need to try as many budget Fenders as you can - your guitar is hiding there somewhere!

Am also a strat anorak  :D

And from everything you're saying there, i would tend toward the MIJ/CIJ for "best bang for buck"

MIA are great but pricey and i really think the MIJ guitars are just as well made

Nothing wrong with MIM at all, i mean they're mostly U.S made anyway, and assembled in Mexico i believe.

But for the same money or less as and MIM start the OP could have a second hand MIJ/CIJ strat. which as stated IMO are as well made as MIA

things to watch out for with MIJ and why buying second hand on a budget is better:

a lot of MIJ are basswood, so if you want an alder body be sure to ask if it is. the vintage premium models are alder bodied

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-res&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fenderjapan.co.jp%2Ftop.htm&lp=ja_en&btnTrUrl=Translate

also, like it or not and against all logic given japan was the electronics capitol of the world a while back, the swithces are cheap. if you buy one, and it hasn't already been done, i would get a tech to rip everything out of there and replace all switches, pots and cabling with CTS etc. and some good hookup cable too. especially the jack. minimal cost to this, especially if you buy second hand



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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2010, 11:25:52 AM »
Another thing to think about, in playability terms, is fretboard radius - nearly all MIJ/CIJ Strats have the vintage 7.25" radius and tiny frets.  Some of the MIM ones do too, but there's a wider choice.
 

Might be an issue if you're used to flatter necks and bigger frets.
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Re: Bang for buck strat
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2010, 11:58:17 AM »
Can anyone inform me of the differences between alder and poplar. Quite a few of the Vintage range of strats have poplar bodies. I read somewhere that poplar is considered the poor mans alder...
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Re: Bang for buck strat
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2010, 12:13:58 PM »
Another thing to think about, in playability terms, is fretboard radius - nearly all MIJ/CIJ Strats have the vintage 7.25" radius and tiny frets.  Some of the MIM ones do too, but there's a wider choice.
 

Might be an issue if you're used to flatter necks and bigger frets.

am nearly sure mine is a 9.5" . thats one aspect of them thankfully that isn't so vintage. If it is 7.25" i certainly havent noticed any choking, and my other guitars are much more modern styles.

but yes, you will get a wider choice with MIM, the japanese def have a thing for vintage styles
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Re: Bang for buck strat
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2010, 12:21:28 PM »
Warmoth is a pretty good place to start for body wood info:

http://www.warmoth.com/Guitar/Bodies/Options/BodyWoodOptions.aspx

I think poplar and alder are pretty similar, in weight and tone.  Poplar looks worse so it's not great for transparent finishes.  I once had a Fender Jimmie Vaughan Strat with a poplar body and it sounded fine.

Poplar is definitely cheaper - presumably because it's more plentiful and/or grows faster (I'm guessing).  The cheapest bodies in the Warmoth Showcase usually turn out to be poplar!
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Re: Bang for buck strat
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2010, 01:13:51 PM »
Posted this view before but...

Personally the best 'bang for buck' I have come across in the MIJ E Series (early-mid 80s) Strats - they do have a vintage feel (radius, frets etc) but construction is excellent.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190455138622&category=33039&_trksid=p5197.c0.m619&_trkparms=1876%3A1


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Re: Bang for buck strat
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2010, 04:23:21 PM »
Coolest thing I ever read about USA Standard vs Mex strats went something like

"You can buy a Strat assembled in Mexico by Mexicans or pay more for a strat assembled in the USA by Mexicans"  :? :lol:
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