Amp for 80s heavy and hair metal...

[Brow]

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Just have the prices on the website, the whole POA thing to me is very "if you have to ask you probably can't afford it"

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I don't see the point in a shop having a website if they aren't going to put the prices of their items on it!  :shock:

[Twinfan]

Sometimes, if you're selling something at a price less than RRP, you cannot advertise the fact.  Hence the no prices on websites or magazine adverts.

Like Matt, I've never had a problem with Sounds Great.  I've phoned a few times, called in a LOT and spent a fair amount of cash in there.

[Roobubba]

At the risk of taking this topic even further off piste, I'm having second thoughts about my 5150-II. It sounds brutal, gives a great recorded tone, but the clean channel is far from ideal, and in a gig situation, it can be noisy (even with a 2-channel ISP decimator proRackG working overtime on it), with unwanted feedback. What other options are out there for the high gain (bass/mid focussed) and brutally loud stuff, preferably also with a usable clean channel and effects loop (just in case I need to keep the Decimator!)?
One of the other bands we played with last night had a pair of the Bogner-designed Line6 Spider amps (the new ones with the blue lights on), and I have to say, they sounded absolutely awesome, and no-one was battling with noise or feedback even at proper volumes...

[Dmoney]

Sometimes, if you're selling something at a price less than RRP, you cannot advertise the fact.  Hence the no prices on websites or magazine adverts.

Like Matt, I've never had a problem with Sounds Great.  I've phoned a few times, called in a LOT and spent a fair amount of cash in there.

well if your not going to put it up, you best be on the ball with telling people what the price is when they enquire.
Thoman sell the SLO cheaper than sounds great (£3100 ish inc VAT and Shipping i think?). I don't think their prices are lower than RRP, but then I don't know... but since they are the only UK distributor than finding the UK RRP elsewhere is going to be hard.

I bought 1 thing, worth a lot of money, and got treated like a worthless idoit. I imagine most of the staff are fine, I only dealt with 1 guy and he was completely out of order with me.


Roo...
I think getting rid of that unwanted feedback takes a couple of things. With my Avenger, It would squeal with bad pups.
A solid guitar with solid pickups is a start. My amp, although I use a lot of gain, I don't use ALL the gain. It also has DC heaters on the first 2 preamp valves which helps a lot with noise. After I got the nailbombs in my LPC, I stopped using any kind of noise suppressor. I don't really use many pedals though, and when I do I never use them mains powered as I don't have a clean 9V supply.

[Roobubba]

Roo...
I think getting rid of that unwanted feedback takes a couple of things. With my Avenger, It would squeal with bad pups.
A solid guitar with solid pickups is a start. My amp, although I use a lot of gain, I don't use ALL the gain. It also has DC heaters on the first 2 preamp valves which helps a lot with noise. After I got the nailbombs in my LPC, I stopped using any kind of noise suppressor. I don't really use many pedals though, and when I do I never use them mains powered as I don't have a clean 9V supply.

I've always struggled with the feedback, with my ibanez RG470F with stock ibanez pickups or a miracle man bridge, and latterly with the WezV baritone either with black dogs or the miracle man. Both guitars sound awesome through other amps, so I'm fairly sure that's not the issue. I definitely don't use all the gain, either! On the dirty channel I'm using a preamp gain of about 3.5/10  to 4/10 and about the same for the post gain for decent stage volumes. I might have to check out using a lower gain preamp valve in position 1, I suppose - there's PLENTY more gain on tap. I am boosting the input signal with a bodenhamer bloody murder (TS clone) with 9/10 level, 0 drive and 5-8/10 'tone'. That's battery powered. In fact the only thing not battery powered (apart from the amp!) is the ISP decimator! I use a power conditioner, too. No other pedals. It's either a case of sticking with this amp and playing around with valves and/or modding it, or I'll have to look around at other amps. Just got thinking about it given this thread, so was wondering about the more hardcore end of high gain amps :)

Roo

[tekbow]

Roo...
I think getting rid of that unwanted feedback takes a couple of things. With my Avenger, It would squeal with bad pups.
A solid guitar with solid pickups is a start. My amp, although I use a lot of gain, I don't use ALL the gain. It also has DC heaters on the first 2 preamp valves which helps a lot with noise. After I got the nailbombs in my LPC, I stopped using any kind of noise suppressor. I don't really use many pedals though, and when I do I never use them mains powered as I don't have a clean 9V supply.

I've always struggled with the feedback, with my ibanez RG470F with stock ibanez pickups or a miracle man bridge, and latterly with the WezV baritone either with black dogs or the miracle man. Both guitars sound awesome through other amps, so I'm fairly sure that's not the issue. I definitely don't use all the gain, either! On the dirty channel I'm using a preamp gain of about 3.5/10  to 4/10 and about the same for the post gain for decent stage volumes. I might have to check out using a lower gain preamp valve in position 1, I suppose - there's PLENTY more gain on tap. I am boosting the input signal with a bodenhamer bloody murder (TS clone) with 9/10 level, 0 drive and 5-8/10 'tone'. That's battery powered. In fact the only thing not battery powered (apart from the amp!) is the ISP decimator! I use a power conditioner, too. No other pedals. It's either a case of sticking with this amp and playing around with valves and/or modding it, or I'll have to look around at other amps. Just got thinking about it given this thread, so was wondering about the more hardcore end of high gain amps :)

Roo

When was the last time you changed out valves?

[Roobubba]

Roo...
I think getting rid of that unwanted feedback takes a couple of things. With my Avenger, It would squeal with bad pups.
A solid guitar with solid pickups is a start. My amp, although I use a lot of gain, I don't use ALL the gain. It also has DC heaters on the first 2 preamp valves which helps a lot with noise. After I got the nailbombs in my LPC, I stopped using any kind of noise suppressor. I don't really use many pedals though, and when I do I never use them mains powered as I don't have a clean 9V supply.

I've always struggled with the feedback, with my ibanez RG470F with stock ibanez pickups or a miracle man bridge, and latterly with the WezV baritone either with black dogs or the miracle man. Both guitars sound awesome through other amps, so I'm fairly sure that's not the issue. I definitely don't use all the gain, either! On the dirty channel I'm using a preamp gain of about 3.5/10  to 4/10 and about the same for the post gain for decent stage volumes. I might have to check out using a lower gain preamp valve in position 1, I suppose - there's PLENTY more gain on tap. I am boosting the input signal with a bodenhamer bloody murder (TS clone) with 9/10 level, 0 drive and 5-8/10 'tone'. That's battery powered. In fact the only thing not battery powered (apart from the amp!) is the ISP decimator! I use a power conditioner, too. No other pedals. It's either a case of sticking with this amp and playing around with valves and/or modding it, or I'll have to look around at other amps. Just got thinking about it given this thread, so was wondering about the more hardcore end of high gain amps :)

Roo

When was the last time you changed out valves?

Both the pre and post section valves got changed about 18 months ago. Took it to a tech to look over after I bought it 2nd hand. I've always struggled with the feedback issues, there's no difference now to when I first put in the new valves. It gets played once a week for practice and has had about 10 gigs in that time (but to be fair, it's run harder at practice than it is at gigs, and for longer, too). It's biased stock, ie very cold, so there's probably still plenty of life left in the 6L6s.

[Dmoney]

lower gain valve in V1 might be cool. Even if it's just a gold pin JJ 12AX7.

I didn't boost my 6505 but I did use more gain in the preamp, probably about 6/10. I also played around with using the low input.

I always had a lot of hiss problems and in the end that's what led me to look for something else.
Do you have the same issue using more amp gain with no boost?
That mod with the 10pf cap might help (I can't say for sure).

[Roobubba]

lower gain valve in V1 might be cool. Even if it's just a gold pin JJ 12AX7.

I didn't boost my 6505 but I did use more gain in the preamp, probably about 6/10. I also played around with using the low input.

I always had a lot of hiss problems and in the end that's what led me to look for something else.
Do you have the same issue using more amp gain with no boost?
That mod with the 10pf cap might help (I can't say for sure).

I'll definitely give a lower gain V1 a go as that's relatively cheap. I used to run at about 6-7/10 before I got the bloody murder, still had the same issues.

So far I'm thinking up possible alternatives, but the list is short! An AxeFX may be the way to go, but I'd still need to get a (hifi type?) amplifier for the signal from that. Alternatively it's a traditional high gain head, but my knowledge of the market is poor...

[Dmoney]

I think there is quite a lot, although obviously sounds will vary, and price will vary a lot too.

I could name a bunch of random amps.
have you see the Egnater Armageddon? Built in ISP Decimater. Looks like it would be a pretty heavy amp! although i can't find much info on them online. you can find videos.

[Panos_Stargazer]

Hey!!! Good evening from Greece

Well I decided to buy straight from Scott instead from a European dealer because I want some custom options and I wanted to be clear with them because the dealer may make a mistake in the order...and we sure don't want that to happen!!! and maybe I'll send the money to my uncle who lives in USA permanently and he'll buy the amp for me and send it to Greece...

So far I'm thinking up possible alternatives, but the list is short! An AxeFX may be the way to go, but I'd still need to get a (hifi type?) amplifier for the signal from that. Alternatively it's a traditional high gain head, but my knowledge of the market is poor...

Well about the power-amp I would suggest this ENGL which I have played with and it is very very good...also, as well as the Axe FX which is great you can check out some other very good pre-amps: Line6 Pod X3 Pro, ENGL E570 . ENGL E580, Randall RM4 Chassis and finally MESA Boogie Triaxis...all these of course are just a few of the choices you have and of course you are the one who'll make the final decision and maybe none of these stuff I've posted has the sound you want...good luck with your shopping!!! :)

Thank you once again all of you guys for your advice and help, I promise samples....:)

[Dmoney]

yo.
the SLO is currently £2999 "a the current exchange rate"

I was wrong about the £3999, my last email about it was 14 Jan 2010 and it was £2999 then also.

[tekbow]

thats more like it :lol:

[HTH AMPS]

for those wanting an SLO100, I would strongly recommend you try out a Jet City 100w head - the controls and layout are exactly the same, and the amp responded (and sounded) exactly like an SLO100 to my ears.  for £599 out the door, you really can't grumble.

[Panos_Stargazer]

for those wanting an SLO100, I would strongly recommend you try out a Jet City 100w head - the controls and layout are exactly the same, and the amp responded (and sounded) exactly like an SLO100 to my ears.  for £599 out the door, you really can't grumble.

Well I have heard that it is made in China and personally I don't really trust chinese products...anyway right now I don't look for an amp anymore as you can see from my last 2-3 posts...but anyway thank you for your time