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ToneMonkey

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Re: Help me sort a debate at work...
« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2010, 09:37:15 AM »
Arse.  I'm at work and I've just wrote an email with "proactive" in it.  Maybe I am a w**ker after all  :lol:
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Re: Help me sort a debate at work...
« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2010, 01:24:55 PM »
Maybe it's the different fields in which we work, but I think a more suitable synonym for 'actioned' would be 'assigned', rather than 'done'. Either way, it's still not a real word :D

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Re: Help me sort a debate at work...
« Reply #32 on: November 04, 2010, 02:35:02 PM »
Ah, yes, reminds me of my heady days at sellafield

Actioned = done/doing/told someone to do it/hasnt been done yet, but we want to sound more clever than incompetent.

Its not a real word because 'action' is a noun (mass noun, according to oxford english disctionary, but I dont know what the distiction is), whereas 'actioned' requires 'action' to be a verb, and its not. This stems from another incorrect use: action as a verb 'I'll action that' and the like.

My personal favourites

Incentivise. This means 'bribe'. But 'bribe' doesnt sound nice or clever.

Projectisation. This means $%&# all, and is a word designed to create work that doesnt need to be done.

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Re: Help me sort a debate at work...
« Reply #33 on: November 04, 2010, 03:12:18 PM »

Incentivise. This means 'bribe'. But 'bribe' doesnt sound nice or clever.

We use "Consideration Payment"  as in "While you consider your position, would you also like to consider this big bag of money?"
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Re: Help me sort a debate at work...
« Reply #34 on: November 04, 2010, 05:47:20 PM »
Why can't managers? Because scientists (I include myself in this category) discover things for which no word or phrase exists, managers don't! Incidentally, it's 'their needs' :P

With that said, much of the management 'lingo' doesn't distress me too much. I am more annoyed by people using words of whose meaning they have no notion, or using far more complicated words than are necessary.

As a scientist, a good deal of my training has focussed on the ability to communicate complex ideas - I need to be able to tell non-scientists what my results mean! If I start using phrases like 'heterologous gene expression was induced with arabinose', there will be lots of blank faces. I'd have to come up with something like 'in order to make the bacterial cells start converting the DNA of interest into our target protein, a chemical called arabinose was added.' But you know what? that's something I would do! Yes, it's longer, but to be able to describe what's going on in a simplified way without using unfamiliar words, that is what's necessary.

But I suppose, time is money :)

Bugger. There/their/they're mistakes are a massive pet hate of mine, I'm amazed I let that slip.

Still, it depends in some sense what you mean by discovering things. If you limit the domain of 'thing' to purely physical phenomena (or noumena, take your pick) then you "real" scientists can hold your heads as high as you like (which in my experience is pretty high). But it seems pretty arbitrary - language has to deal with a lot more than physics and chemistry after all...

I also don't see a difference between you saying something technical at work and something in layman's terms at home, and me writing 'actioned' on a report in work, but using more traditional words at home. For both of us, when at work, time very much is money. Except perhaps that 'actioned' is infact easily interpreted, or so I thought until I came to this thread!

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Re: Help me sort a debate at work...
« Reply #35 on: November 04, 2010, 05:52:43 PM »
oh yeah i mean in science there was a bit of using bigger words because they sounded better too, which I didn't like either (plus a little bit of business-speak too, using "novel" all the time), but it didn't seem anywhere near as bad as business speak, either. I mean if something was red, we called it red. And there was no word you could use for DNA, say, before it was discovered either (yes i know what i stands for, i cba writing it).

Actually, funnily enough, one of the things that annoyed me in science was the principle of trying to use as few words as possible- if you could say something in two words, you did :lol:

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Re: Help me sort a debate at work...
« Reply #36 on: November 04, 2010, 06:05:02 PM »
(yes i know what i stands for, i cba writing it).

There's your problem... Deoxyribonucleic Acid is science, DNA is management jargon.  :lol:

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Re: Help me sort a debate at work...
« Reply #37 on: November 04, 2010, 06:57:54 PM »
Its not a real word because 'action' is a noun (mass noun, according to oxford english disctionary, but I dont know what the distiction is), whereas 'actioned' requires 'action' to be a verb, and its not. This stems from another incorrect use: action as a verb 'I'll action that' and the like.
 

Action is a verb, in my dictionary at least. (Collins 1992).

"to put (a proposal or plan) into operation."
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Re: Help me sort a debate at work...
« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2010, 09:28:32 AM »
Examples of words that mean different things on the other side of the pond - my 'favourite' - or should that be favorite?


Momentarily - in the UK = something that occurs for a very short period of time; in the USA - in a short while

"So-and-so will be here momentarily" - to which I always want to reply - "Why are they in such a hurry to leave?"

But of course that would count as sarcasm, which would be wasted on the Yanks..

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Re: Help me sort a debate at work...
« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2010, 12:10:52 PM »
This sums it all up for me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7E-aoXLZGY

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Re: Help me sort a debate at work...
« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2010, 04:45:53 PM »
There's your problem... Deoxyribonucleic Acid is science, DNA is management jargon.  :lol:

maybe in adverts etc. (where I'd agree), but abbreviations are used all the time in science. :lol:

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Re: Help me sort a debate at work...
« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2010, 05:50:57 PM »
This sums it all up for me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7E-aoXLZGY

:)

I enjoyed that, and agree. Words are my slaves not my masters, and perfect accuracy isnt needed for clarity. Nor is there any reason to adhere to any given set of linguistic rules in the face of the fact that language is and always has been an evolving thing.

However, my objection to various forms of managementese stand. Less for the technical reasons, more for the underlying bullshitee they represent. 'Professional' buzzwords are indicative of the exact opposite of professionality; they're an attempt to fit into a workplace by making the right noises and climb ladders by talking the right talk, dazzle listeners and impress upon them your effectiveness with a few choice bar-stewardisations of existing words and terms and liberal use of hyper-correction, as though paid by the syllable. Thats fine, I suppose, but what really gets me about this use of language is that its normally used by the less than competent; people like to use the new(ish) language of proactiveness and modern business but havent the skills or resourcefullness to back it up. Basically, they tend to be brown-nosing 'game-players' more interested than looking good than actually doing any work.

That and you really have to hear this shite spoken in person; the emphasese placed on the managementese phrases, like they just thought of the bloody word then and there, makes me nauseous.

/Rant.

It reminds me of a study I read...I wish I could remember who by now, I'd go and find it....but cant...anyway, the basic jist is that the most important factor in being accepted into a group or subculture is the use of that subculture or groups lexicon. We really do, by and large, care more that people talk the talk than walk the walk. Shame really. Managementese is one where the talk can entirely supplant the walk, however, and people that are profoundly inept can do well by making the right noises.

The other thing that pisses me off is text-speak. I can sort of understand it in text messages, where theres a limited character count and you want to get more said, but when I see it in emails or posts it makes my $%&#ing piss boil. Take the extra couple of seconds to not look like a $%&#ing retard; use actual words. And what group are people showing membership of using textese outside of a text? ASBO-holders? The sub-normally intelligent? Teenagers from 1998?

Anyway, /rant #2. As you were.