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Defi

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PRS Custom 24, Axe Fx, which BKP?
« on: November 09, 2010, 03:05:23 AM »
Hey all. I'm thinking about buying a PRS Custom 24 (mahogany body/neck, maple cap, rosewood board) and if so would like to consider a set of BKP to try out in it. I figure this is probably the best made guitar I've bought so far so I might as well go the extra effort with the magnets too!

Anyway, to follow is a bunch of words and phrases used to describe sound that will demonstrate the difficulty in doing so...

I will be using an Axe Fx preamp so versatility is a MUST. My music is comprised of heavy charging melodic turbopick annoying to play riffs to more technical interwoven guitar parts to attempts at sweeping to acoustic rhythm breaks with ebow leads to clean delayed ambient parts to synth textures and over and over the place but the backbone is definitely the metal aspect. A sort of progressive/folk inspired metal project. (I love metal but hate what metal guitar has become... but for reference, some of my favorite tones are Ensiferum/Wintersun, Opeth, some strapping young lad, mastodon. I like 5150s, splawn, boosted jcm800, engl SEs, dual chan recto, mesa mark, and I play around with those sort of amps in stereo with the axe fx. jc-120 and ac30 for the clean tones)
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Tonal qualities I'm looking for:

Bridge Dirty:
Tight punchy high-lows and low-mids, aggressive upper-mids and lower-highs, smooth top highs. Must be clear and defined. I use medium-high gain amps but don't like tons of gain for rhythm. I prefer the sound to be a bit more dry, natural, woody, and aggressively voiced. A very slight southern sound and a ver. slight. djent sound. I  sort of imagine an evil telecaster playing through an engl and framus in stereo.

Neck Dirty:
My favorite lead tones I have heard and played come from guitars with alder/mahogany/maple construction and PAF Pros. I love the smooth soft leads on the higher strings/frets and that distinct paf pro "Aoooo" synthy/choir effect I could hear! But I need something that remains a bit more clear when you bring it down to the lower strings/frets and can get a bit more of a grind to the sound in the wound strings or with the right technique. I like to use subtle delay and reverb to help the lead tone.

Bridge clean:
A colder spacy glassy clean from the bridge position. Would be played slowly picked arpeggios/chords for example (Tiamat's a deeper kind of slumber). Something a bit more compressed and sharper.

Neck clean:
The neck clean I want to be something warmer than can venture into a light breakup to get to a blues/jazz feel or a softer solo.
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The PRS has the 5 way rotary, so it would involve various splitting that I am a large fan of. I like playing around with volume and tone controls so something that responds well to that, as well as amp settings, is desirable.


I tend to talk more than warranted so I'll leave it at an already  large post.

Thanks.

Edit: Maybe I should mention that some of the pickups that I have considered are Emeralds, VHIIs, Mules, Cold Sweat, Painkiller, and Nailbombs... but that's just from the youtube clips/posts around here so it's not very solid and I can't make specific inferences off them. Also my experience with high output pickups is that I'm sick of them because I keep sacrificing versatility. So I do consider some of the higher output options still with BKP provided there isn't such a compromise.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2010, 03:10:37 AM by Defi »

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Re: PRS Custom 24, Axe Fx, which BKP?
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2010, 11:48:25 PM »
Rebel Yell's, maybe a Mule or VHII in the neck.
Mules, VHII, Crawler, MM's, IT's, BG50's.

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Re: PRS Custom 24, Axe Fx, which BKP?
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2010, 12:18:42 AM »
I would guess Painkiller set, or Painkiller bridge/Cold Sweat neck. I haven't actually used any of those pickups though, so I'd wait for someone who has experience with them.

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Re: PRS Custom 24, Axe Fx, which BKP?
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2010, 12:38:24 AM »
Yeah I don't expect any one response to be the definitive answer, but once I have it narrowed down I will try and get Tim's opinion and give it a shot!

BTW: Here are some cliff notes: I do not like treble, high gain, or the metal sound that is commonly found in detuned guitars. the machinelike djent grinding, that stuff isn't me.

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Re: PRS Custom 24, Axe Fx, which BKP?
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2010, 12:40:10 AM »
I would guess Painkiller set, or Painkiller bridge/Cold Sweat neck. I haven't actually used any of those pickups though, so I'd wait for someone who has experience with them.

Defi said:

Edit: Maybe I should mention that some of the pickups that I have considered are Emeralds, VHIIs, Mules, Cold Sweat, Painkiller, and Nailbombs... but that's just from the youtube clips/posts around here so it's not very solid and I can't make specific inferences off them. Also my experience with high output pickups is that I'm sick of them because I keep sacrificing versatility. So I do consider some of the higher output options still with BKP provided there isn't such a compromise.

Think the Painkiller is tonally (too bright) not what he is after, think he is better of with vintagehot and let the amp do the work. So RY's, Crawler (more smooth)  or something vintagehot, maybe a Black Dog, could be the best choice.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2010, 12:41:46 AM by Telerocker »
Mules, VHII, Crawler, MM's, IT's, BG50's.

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Re: PRS Custom 24, Axe Fx, which BKP?
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2010, 03:54:09 AM »
I'm thinking about buying a PRS Custom 24
If you're not bought it yet, why think of changing pus? stock pickups on custom are already very versatile
« Last Edit: November 10, 2010, 03:56:54 AM by Vodka »

Defi

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Re: PRS Custom 24, Axe Fx, which BKP?
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2010, 05:35:01 AM »
I'm thinking about buying a PRS Custom 24
If you're not bought it yet, why think of changing pus? stock pickups on custom are already very versatile
Yes you are right! I realized someone might say this and should have said that it is indeed contingent on how well I get along with the stock pickups. I just kind of have the preconception that even if they are good I would be able to find something about them that a BKP could supposedly do better.

But hey, maybe I'll be wrong and they'll get the job done.

... but i still want to try some BKP some day..?  :lol:

edit: and I did buy it today :)

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Re: PRS Custom 24, Axe Fx, which BKP?
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2010, 08:11:28 AM »
BKPs are far better in all respects, you just can't compare them.

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Re: PRS Custom 24, Axe Fx, which BKP?
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2010, 11:02:01 AM »
Think the Painkiller is tonally (too bright) not what he is after, think he is better of with vintagehot and let the amp do the work. So RY's, Crawler (more smooth)  or something vintagehot, maybe a Black Dog, could be the best choice.

Right. Axe FX. Derp.  :lol:

Carry on.

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Re: PRS Custom 24, Axe Fx, which BKP?
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2010, 11:29:02 AM »
a preamp is an amp too  :D  cause you can't compare it with a combo/full stack. but what you put in, you will get out. it is a matter of the tone you're after. if the tonecharacteristics of the pickups don't have any influence on the sound with the Axe FX, why put in new pickups? In my reply I was focussed on the tonal qualities he's after.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2010, 11:52:12 AM by Telerocker »
Mules, VHII, Crawler, MM's, IT's, BG50's.

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Re: PRS Custom 24, Axe Fx, which BKP?
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2010, 11:54:14 AM »
You have pretty much the same gear that I use and even your tonal preferences are close too mine. Unforunately I cant help you decide which pickup to get. I only can suggest you not to get a alnico nailbomb. To me they are pretty close to the sound you are after, but a bit too bass heavy for your PRS. At least they are for my taste in my PRS. Tim recommended me to try a cold sweat set ... but I havenīt so far. Damn lazy me!

Have you already asked Tim? I dont exactly know why, but he seems to be fairly competent when it comes to choosing pickups.

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Re: PRS Custom 24, Axe Fx, which BKP?
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2010, 12:32:14 PM »
Rebel Yell in the bridge, no doubt in my mind. I have several friends that have put RYs in their PRSs - the results have always been spectacular, and furthermore in keeping with the the requirements you have expressed.

If you want the PAF sound from the neck, you should definitely try the Mule neck. It's a near-as-damn exact replica of the '59 PAF design, and with the scatterwinding and coil-offset you will find it MILES clearer than the PAF Pro.



If you're not bought it yet, why think of changing pus? stock pickups on custom are already very versatile


Interesting first post on the Bare Knuckle forum  :lol:
Welcome, anyway!
« Last Edit: November 10, 2010, 12:34:45 PM by Nolly »

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Re: PRS Custom 24, Axe Fx, which BKP?
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2010, 04:47:05 PM »
I have a Rebel Yell Set is my Artist III.. works a treat for me.

Good distortion tones from Bridge and excellent clean on coil split!

PRS Stop tail CU22 Crawler covered  set,  PRS Trem CU22 Abraxas covered set, PRS SC Trem Crawler covered set & (Charval 475 HSS- Holydiver, Irish Tours open set)

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Re: PRS Custom 24, Axe Fx, which BKP?
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2010, 10:33:20 PM »

Have you already asked Tim? I dont exactly know why, but he seems to be fairly competent when it comes to choosing pickups.

No I haven't--email sales@bkp.. etc?

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Re: PRS Custom 24, Axe Fx, which BKP?
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2010, 10:56:59 PM »
Have you already asked Tim? I dont exactly know why, but he seems to be fairly competent when it comes to choosing pickups.
:lol:

Couldn't be because he makes them or anything. :P

But I've always gone through the "info@" address with any questions. I would definitely email Tim. EDIT: Just noticed his responses are from "sales".
« Last Edit: November 10, 2010, 11:42:58 PM by FriskyLemur »