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Neemo

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« on: December 20, 2005, 06:12:23 PM »
Hi, I'm new here and trying to decide on which pickup to buy for the bridge.

My guitar is a ESP SV Standard (rhoads) with neck-thru joint, alder wings, maple neck with ebony fretboard. And of course with a floyd.

For reference, I'm looking for a Children of Bodom -type guitar sound, very hot with a lot of mids. I'm play lead and solo quite a bit so I want a very articulate sound with huge harmonics, I currently have DM Megadrive but it seems to have quite weak harmonics and bit muddy sound to it. I also don't do detuning so I think Warpig is off the list? I was thinking about the Nailbomb but it doesn emphasize on mids that much, I just love the mid grind with a tube amp. The Miracle Man however, seems to fit best for its voicing, but does it have enough output?. Oh and I rarely use clean sounds and I have DM Humbucker from Hell for those.

Any suggestions/opinions are welcome.
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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2005, 06:15:19 PM »
Welcome, Neemo.

Miracle Man, without a doubt.

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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2005, 06:37:19 PM »
Or a Cold Sweat...less output and lets the amp open up a bit.

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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2005, 06:55:31 PM »
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Or a Cold Sweat...l

For doing CoB, I would think that the CS is too clean.

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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2005, 07:36:41 PM »
Probably...it's good to have a few choices!

The cold sweat mid is lower than the Miracle Man, it's just that it's my new pickup and I really like it! :lol:
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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2005, 08:55:56 PM »
The ole Nailbomb has to be a contender in the mid crunch stakes!!
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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2005, 10:11:57 PM »
I would choose the Nailbomb, Its got a very full mid range. The Miracle Man doesn't have the Mid crunch you are looking for. If you want to go higher output check out the Warpig for an alternative.

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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2005, 11:56:59 PM »
How easily do the harmonics come off with Nailbomb vs Warpig?

I'm looking for a really In-Your-Face kinda mid-emphasized pickup, how's the Painkiller coming up? I read that it has the mid grind taken to the extreme, something I'd like to my hands on.
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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2005, 03:29:33 AM »
I also think the Miricale Man would be the way to go.  I don't think Alexi's tone has a lot of mids. Actually I can't think of any pickup that would probably get his tone better then the MM. He uses a really sh1tty pickup (I had the one he uses now) and uses effects and stuff to make it sound the way it does.

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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2005, 10:54:15 AM »
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I also think the Miricale Man would be the way to go.  I don't think Alexi's tone has a lot of mids. Actually I can't think of any pickup that would probably get his tone better then the MM. He uses a really sh1tty pickup (I had the one he uses now) and uses effects and stuff to make it sound the way it does.


I'm after the tone he had when he still had his jackson (which was stolen) that had a J-50C. It was a quite mid-heavy pup.
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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2005, 11:08:27 AM »
Most Jackson's are equipped with a JB (or a BJ as we call it here :lol: ). In that case, I'd go for a Nailbomb.
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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2005, 08:16:22 PM »
Harmonics come from the Nailbomb very easily. They are a bit easier to get on the Warpig but I think the Nailbomb would better suited to your needs.
The Painkiller won't be available for a little while yet as it is still being voiced.

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« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2005, 02:31:47 AM »
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Actually I can't think of any pickup that would probably get his tone better then the MM. He uses a really sh1tty pickup (I had the one he uses now) and uses effects and stuff to make it sound the way it does.



Actually, Alexi is using a Jackson J50BC humbucker (the B stand for Bridge
and the C for Ceramic) in addition to an onboard preamp called the Je-1000.

The J50BC humbucker was basically the Ceramic version of the Jackson PAF hum and reads about 8.6 Kohm. This pup was also partly designed to "go along" with the Je1000.

This combination is actually pretty good sounding, far better than an EMG81 if you ask me... MUCH more alive.

As for the Je1000, it's in fact a volume pot with a variable gain switch (something like up to +15dB) that you "set and forget" (a trim pot) and, THE secret to the j50bc+Je1000 sounds, a simple 3 peak selector (think about a simple 3 band EQ) with Low Mid and High.
Now the question is : what settings did Alexi Laiho/Roope Latvala used until now, i mean, on this peak selector... my guess is Low:off Mid:on High:on or something like that.

If i had to duplicate the CoB sound with BKP, i'd go for a VHII + any kind of SUPER clean gain boost (SD1 or EMG PA).
From what i've heard of the VHII it seems enough trebly to emulate the original power of the pickup (8.6k on the J50BC) AND the Je1000 hypothetical EQ.
 A gain boost is or course needed to reach a CoB kind of distortion, even through a 5150 or a VHT whose have a sh**load of gain.

My second guess would surely be a miracle man though... possibly more simple  :lol:

But anyway, keep in mind that those two guys don't use a raw and rough type of distortion "LPthruMarshall" style a la Zakky. Their sound is much more 80s oriented in its root : They usually goes thru a GP1000 Lee Jackson (Class A) tube preamp and a Peavey, VHT (or ENGL for Sinergy) poweramp. And that the fundamental principe of their tone is that they drives the preamp section of the amp like crazy 8)

Well i hope that helps !  :wink:
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« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2005, 02:43:03 AM »
I've almost forgot to ask something to Tim and Steve :

Knowing all of this, could it be possible for you to make a VHII with a ceramic magnet ? What are the pros and cons ?
With any kind of gain boost, perhaps it could turn into a great 80s/Trash machine pickup...while retaining the incredible articulation and sweetness of a low output PAF...  i don't know  :roll:
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« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2005, 03:02:40 AM »
Quote from: 'Ash' J. Williams
I've almost forgot to ask something to Tim and Steve :

Knowing all of this, could it be possible for you to make a VHII with a ceramic magnet ? What are the pros and cons ?
With any kind of gain boost, perhaps it could turn into a great 80s/Trash machine pickup...while retaining the incredible articulation and sweetness of a low output PAF...  i don't know  :roll:

The miracle man already fills that bill I think. Same for the Cold Sweat and the Painkillers it seems. There's always a volume pot on the guitar, and the MM is already amazingly articulated.