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schenr

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Chorus problem
« on: November 16, 2010, 02:09:07 PM »
Ok, so recently I've been ebaying alot with modulation effects, i bought a boss high band flanger, ibanez cs-9, boss dd7, and very recently a tonerider chorus (thanks to a lot of looking around and heaps of positive feedback on this forum). oh and just as a warning this may be dragged on a tad, so please forgive me.

I love me a good chorus with distortion (placed after the distortion, but only a very subtle shimmer), and i love the sound i get when i run distortion through to the dd7 on its modulation setting (which adds a bit of a chorusy shimmer, almost a flutter, which has a highish rate, and lowish depth sound). But ive have had about zero luck in finding anything that will produce the same stand alone chorus sound without the delay.

I initially sold my boss ce-20 from ages ago because that was poo (to put it kindly), and read heaps of good stuff about the ibanez chorus reissue so i forked out and bought it. while its not too bad, it was total poo after distortion, and mildly alright before distortion (that sort of intermittent warble kind of sound Mr Wylde uses in his solos sometimes). and then while checking out if anything interesting was on ebay, i came across the tonerider chorus, which has awesome reviews, and i only picked it up for 48AUD, which is a steal in my opinion. Its got a very similar tone to the ibanez, but more pure and less noisy, but again I couldnt get the right chorusy tone i want with distortion. I think if it had a pot to control the level of the effect, i could dial in a good tone, but who knows.

So then I thought maybe its a digital chorus i need, like a boss ce-5, and that i need to move away from analog, but then thats just like the ce-20 i had before (or so i'm led to believe). So I did some more reading, and came across some guy recommending someone else to use a flanger on a high rate and low depth setting. Ive hated my high band flanger right from the start, and its been in storage for the last month, but decided to whack it onto my board with the distortion running into it and give this a try on high rate and low depth. it actually gave me the sort of subtle shimmery sound i was looking for, but still has a nasty hiss which i got with the ce-20, and a fake, modulated sound to it (can't really describe, but it sounds tacky).

obviously the most sensible thing for me to do is stop ebaying for the moment, and go into a guitar shop and try some choruses out, but uni exams are almost over, so this is something i'm going to have to treat myself to next week, for now i'm happy procrastinating on the forum.

so to get to the longwinded point...has anyone else had an issue similar to this and found a good solution to it, or better yet, what gives a very similar sound to the modulation setting on the dd7?

I must say, though, that the tonerider and ibanez choruses are really nice with a clean tone, but just dont give me the really subtle tone im after. Ive also tried the mxr micro chorus and the ehx small clone, but again these were a no go. and as a final point, i've had a quick brush over my itunes but no examples come to mind of the sound i'm looking for, and have no recording utilities at hand to preview the dd7 sound...

Thanks!

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Re: Chorus problem
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2010, 03:00:12 PM »
Have you tried your chorus BEFORE the distortion?  I find my ToneRider works best that way...

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Re: Chorus problem
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2010, 03:11:07 PM »
yeah ive tried it on both sides...
just out of curiosity, what settings do u have on your dials, and how heavy is your distortion?

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Re: Chorus problem
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2010, 06:00:14 PM »
I use it with "classic rock" levels of gain with both controls around 10-11 o'clock...

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Re: Chorus problem
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2010, 12:49:19 PM »
the Analogman chorus has a wet/dry mix... http://www.buyanalogman.com/Analog_Man_Standard_Chorus_p/am-standard-chorus.htm

he also does mods - might be worth sending your fave chorus to him and getting a wet/dry pot added to it.  from their website...

"for questions about modifications and availability of modified pedals, contact our mods department at : mods@analogman.com"

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Re: Chorus problem
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2010, 01:18:40 PM »
or this would work...   http://www.thegigrig.com/acatalog/TS_WetBox.html

or this... http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Rocktron-TruLoop-Looper-Guitar-Effects-Pedal?sku=584228

or this... http://www.morleypedals.com/dfxb.html

or this... http://www.bargeconcepts.com/vbjr.html

or this... http://www.xotic.us/effects/x_blender/

at this point I would note that there are MANY options for you to mix the wet/dry signal of your chorus.  there are also DIY options if you're up to the job.


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Re: Chorus problem
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2010, 02:11:47 PM »
can the DD7 do the modulation without any delay?  maybe what you want is a second DD7, one for your delays and one for the modulation?
cry HAVOC!! and let slip the pigs of war!!!

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Re: Chorus problem
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2010, 07:00:35 AM »

at this point I would note that there are MANY options for you to mix the wet/dry signal of your chorus.  there are also DIY options if you're up to the job.


I like your thinking... ive been considering starting diy projects over the last 6 months, so that may be a promising project.
have you had any experience with using these? and more specifically, would it ensure that the chorus sound is less harsh when used with distortion (not too sure if thats an obvious question or not...)?

can the DD7 do the modulation without any delay?  maybe what you want is a second DD7, one for your delays and one for the modulation?

unfortunately it doesnt...that was one of the first things i tried. funnily enough if i put the repeats and delay time down to minimum, and try to keep the chorusy sound, it just sounds as harsh as the other chorus pedals after the distortion... apparently the carbon copy by mxr has a modulation function (as i'm sure a lot of other delay pedals do too), but i havent managed to find any info on whether you can isolate the modulation effect.

the best thing for me to do is go to a shop and fiddle around with what they've got i think.

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Re: Chorus problem
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2010, 09:11:51 AM »
You can't isolate the modulation on the MXR either.


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Re: Chorus problem
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2010, 11:31:59 AM »
You can't isolate the modulation on the MXR either.
bummer...i dont think i was prepared to buy that anyway, its a bit pricey even on the bay in australia

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Re: Chorus problem
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2010, 12:06:01 PM »
Well they are delay pedals, not chorus pedals!

I think you need a chrous with a wet/dry mix like HTH says...

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Re: Chorus problem
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2010, 03:34:40 PM »
Well they are delay pedals, not chorus pedals!

I think you need a chrous with a wet/dry mix like HTH says...

That's a good point, but it would be awesome if there was a separate modulation control (almost like the visual sound one). Oh well...
I'm very much considering going down the diy road and making a bypass pedal with a wet/dry control. But I've never done any diy pedals... But I'm still considering it.

All that said, I spent a good few hrs today mucking about with ordering and tweaking, and I'm getting a much better result.
Putting the tonerider before the distortion definately does sound much better than afterwards, and I can dial in a good wylde tone. I'm very impressed with that little chorus... But still ultimately doesn't do what I'm looking for.

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Re: Chorus problem
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2010, 08:40:49 AM »
good news folks!
went to the guitar shop and put an end to all my problems! well i figured out how to put an end to my problems.
i tried a chorus ensemble (ce-5) and super chorus (ch1) by boss both in an effects loop with a feedbacker control. its definately the level control that makes the pedals work with distortion. very easy to dial in gilmourish sounds (think the wall) with that little control knob.
i also didnt find any problems with the noise that a lot of people seem to associate with these pedals, which is a positive.
so now i'm happy i've found something to spend my money on.

thanks for all your help and suggestions too!