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Re: Lets revive the players/bkp album thread
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2010, 01:32:23 PM »
As I said, I'm in. For the collective of that we all pitch in musically or some talent (yes, you too Philly)
Judging would, as people have said, make it a little difficult but doable. But I'm all just for playing something.
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Re: Lets revive the players/bkp album thread
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2010, 03:26:51 PM »
I would just like to point out that any 'out' notes in my playing are merely an expression of my a-tonal playing style.

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Re: Lets revive the players/bkp album thread
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2010, 05:07:19 PM »
But it could also lead to this thing being some kind of guitar x factor :S

I think that would make me Wagner.  :|

I absolutely love Wagner. Cant sing to save his live but he is one hell of an entertainer and hes funny to top it off.

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Re: Lets revive the players/bkp album thread
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2010, 05:08:20 PM »
I would just like to point out that any 'out' notes in my playing are merely an expression of my a-tonal playing style.

You're just doing as Friedman does. And going out of the box in a good way. At least that is what i tell myself when i do it

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Re: Lets revive the players/bkp album thread
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2010, 07:24:55 PM »
i'm in, got IT set, BG set VHii bridge, Stormy m neck.....and can do really cheesy stuff if needed BUT.....

my cr@p recordings would be a dead giveaway and my complete inability to deal with more 'complex' recording may
be an eliminator eg i don't even understand what mdv suggesting.still i'm willing and could do something over a
pre- done back track.
good idea whatever the outcome.
                                             

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Re: Lets revive the players/bkp album thread
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2010, 07:49:27 PM »
i'm in, got IT set, BG set VHii bridge, Stormy m neck.....and can do really cheesy stuff if needed BUT.....

my cr@p recordings would be a dead giveaway and my complete inability to deal with more 'complex' recording may
be an eliminator eg i don't even understand what mdv suggesting.still i'm willing and could do something over a
pre- done back track.
good idea whatever the outcome.
                                             

Good that youre up for a ready made backing track. I hope more people are willing to do that, as it would make things MUCH easier. It would be cool if some very flexible, mid-tempo blues/rock based beat were made for all the songs that can handle styles from Free-ish to Metallica-ish. No Harke or Kollias beats required, just something thats versatile and unrestrictive.

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DI: a signal directly from the guitar to a high impedence input to the DAW.

Reamp: I play that back out using one of my reamp boxes into one of my amps. I have plenty of tonal versatility here, good amps, good cab, good mics and decent acoustics so the chances are good that I can improve on something done on a pod, for example, and level the playing field for people that dont have access to the means to record good tones. It is IMPERATIVE however that the DI is tracked right (primarily input level and the impedence of the input device; most interfaces have a passable DI on them though, but its very tempting to track a DI too hot) and is of good playing (as in clean, clear and in time, whether it be smoke on the water or for the love of god). Well, I say imperative, I can polish some aspects of turdiness (not all), but would really rather not: its tedious.

As far as the initial trials go; I'm willing to do some extremely rudimentary pseudo-mastering to level the playing field a bit for the entries, but I'm not mixing each one. Happy to mix the final ones, however.

I will reamp trial entries in extreme cases (where the playing or material merits it and is worth doing it for, but the sound really isnt competing, or sticks out a lot, in a bad way) but not for all of them, since in theory there will be dozens.

For the final tracks, I think a DI for the option of reamps should be a requisite.

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Re: Lets revive the players/bkp album thread
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2010, 08:18:20 PM »
I've only got a CWP/WP set these days, but I'll quite happily play over any backing track folks think is fun.

It'll be fun to see if I can still play things that aren't utterly horrible, maybe  :lol:

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Re: Lets revive the players/bkp album thread
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2010, 08:41:07 PM »
Bring the horrible. More fun I say.

I swear if everyone just throws in generic blues, classic rock and thrash then I'm burying your guitars and overdubbing something interesting instead. Different and varied entries, with peoples own styles FTW.

People who think they have their own style, but in fact its the same as jimmy page or james hetfield FTL!

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Re: Lets revive the players/bkp album thread
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2010, 08:52:03 PM »
I'll see what i can do in regards to a backing track but it wont be until the weekend as im backed up with work for the rest of the week.

What i was going to suggest as a starter was for someone not competing to choose any random song (not something really out there or overly complex) and everyone covers it in there own style but i actually realised today that this would require too much from people as they would have to know how to sequence drums etc.

also i think with mixing providing the original tracks are ok i think they should all be treat equally as this will again keep everything on a level playing field.

so what does everyone want backing track wise?

I think this could actually be a bit more awkward than i originally thought as if i add a bassline that restricts chord choice.

And if i don't that puts people without a bass or ability to use a vsti for one at a disadvantage.

This really needs a lot more planning than i originally thought.

I was hoping for something that people could pair up on ideally as then if someone can only do rhythm it again doesnt put them at a disadvantage as they could pair up with someone who could do leads

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Re: Lets revive the players/bkp album thread
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2010, 09:04:36 PM »
I dont think we *need* bass for the trial entries. When we have something concrete for each thing, people that can add bass, add bass, people that cant, someone that can adds something rudimentary and root-following with the tab.

I guessed you hadnt appreciated the full complexity of this undertaking ;) but thats no reason not to do it. Its fun, no? Or it will be once we get started. We all play guitar, or do music-related things, so lets do them. Work is involved, so there will be work, too.

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Re: Lets revive the players/bkp album thread
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2010, 11:03:40 PM »
I may have misread the above but if anyone wants a drum track then here's one I did for a HC drum jam if it's any use? - http://hc.bloodyvelvet.com/files/254/DrumJam.mp3

Everyone always does a completely different take so it's quite versatile.

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Re: Lets revive the players/bkp album thread
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2010, 06:10:17 AM »
I dont think we *need* bass for the trial entries. When we have something concrete for each thing, people that can add bass, add bass, people that cant, someone that can adds something rudimentary and root-following with the tab.

I guessed you hadnt appreciated the full complexity of this undertaking ;) but thats no reason not to do it. Its fun, no? Or it will be once we get started. We all play guitar, or do music-related things, so lets do them. Work is involved, so there will be work, too.

Oh it will definitely be fun and very good point about the initial entries not requiring them.

And Tom i shall check that out tonight when im back from work its a bit early right now.

If this gets kicked off in a good way then i think i will make use of my hosting and knock up a quick forum especially for it then this one wont be filled with stuff) and just ask Ol or Tim for a sticky link off to it so people can still find it

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Re: Lets revive the players/bkp album thread
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2010, 01:53:55 PM »
I may have misread the above but if anyone wants a drum track then here's one I did for a HC drum jam if it's any use? - http://hc.bloodyvelvet.com/files/254/DrumJam.mp3

Everyone always does a completely different take so it's quite versatile.

I'm not playing, but yeah, its not bad. I do struggle to hear anything bluesy over it, maybe because of the high velocities throughout, maybe the occasional pattern turnarounds (not that blues doesnt have turnarounds, obviously, but they seem quite groove-metal), but see what the bluesers think.

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Re: Lets revive the players/bkp album thread
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2010, 02:02:51 PM »
I'll try and do something bluesy over it later to see if it works. Also if you have a better drum program than EZDrummer I could export the midi and let you "have your way with it" so to speak :lol:

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Re: Lets revive the players/bkp album thread
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2010, 03:01:12 PM »
Nah, its OK, just a thought. It was more of a guess than a pronouncement that the blues dudes arent going to be that comfortable with it. See if any want to speak up.

Odd that we've got all fairly metally people here, except philly. Wheres andyR, tomjackson, matt77, Mr38th and the like? The bluesers and rockers.