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Which beginner DAW?
« on: December 09, 2010, 10:02:21 PM »
Hi Guys,
I've thus far recorded using a mic, a line 6 toneport and audacity, but I'm getting to the point where it would be nice to have some tracks with, you know, some drums, maybe.
Whilst I'm playing with virtual instruments, some sampled bass and brass noises wouldn't go amiss!
So, from what I've managed to gather, I need a DAW with a decent drum-focused midi editing function. I think.
It would also be great if it had a sheet music "translator" for my midi compositions (to give to real people).
A bundled collection of sampled noises or synthesizer would add value.
By the looks of things, Cubase 5 essentials does what I want for £60.
-Drum editor
-score editor
-HalionONE with 600 sample based instruments.

But of course there are others; Cakewalk home studio 7, Cakewalk sonar x1 essentials, Ableton live intro, Reaper...
What should I buy?
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Re: Which beginner DAW?
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2010, 02:34:48 PM »
I've jsut started out with reaper, and have bought myself a Focusrite Saffire Pro14 which comes with a free version of Ableton Live Lite... haven't tried any of it yet as I only just picked it up from the depot yesterday.
Reaper seems really good from what I've tried so far, but I need to get into it more before I commit to it. I'm tempted to try a trial version of superior drummer or similar, but the thought of programming drums is not something I like. I literally just want to use this for recording guitar in the first instance!

You should get hold of reaper before you do anything else anyway. It's got a fully functional non-time-limited trial (which you could use as freeware, but it isn't - I shall be buying it if I decide to continue using it).

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Re: Which beginner DAW?
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2010, 04:56:44 PM »
I will second Reaper it is really powerful and can do absolutely everything that any other DAW can for far less.

I think it's still on offer at £25 for a full term licence.

And as for drums there are many good options out there. If you want something simple just got for EZdrummer as it doesnt require much effort to use at all and sounds ok out of the box.

Also for your scores you can either buy guitar pro or download tuxguitar for free and import your midi and print out a score of it.

I use guitar pro for all of my main sequencing & arranging then export the midi into reaper.

I do this for a few reasons mainly as it's easier to program to the time signatures and tempo changes and i also go a bit crazy writing brass/orchestral/piano parts too then run the midi through VSTI's

As Roo said head over to Jamsite for all your recording needs :D

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Re: Which beginner DAW?
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2010, 07:40:34 PM »
+2 for reaper.

Its not a 'beginner' DAW in the least, but it is one where everything you need to get going makes itself very obvious (you have to dig around/do some research for more advanced things), and its cheap. I went over from sonar producer 7 to reaper and dont regret a thing (except the couple of hundred quid that sonar 7 cost me!).

It is a 'full capability' DAW, however and competes directly in capabilities with protools, sonar, cubase, audition, logic, etc. Its not stripped down like an LE edition or garageband/acid/audacity.

Drums: get it over with and use superior drummer 2.0 or steve slate drums. Both inexpensive, both very pro sounds. S2 has more mixing control, though, but you can do that in the reaper.

+2 for going to Jamsite. We'll take good care of you over there

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Re: Which beginner DAW?
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2010, 04:39:02 PM »
Yeah, I'd have to go with Reaper too. My DAW of choice is Sonar and always will be until something much much better is produced. That being said, I have played around with Reaper and it seems to be a really great way to get in. It's cheap, well written code, sounds pretty good and looks neat. I didn't find the user interface to be weird or anything, just not what I'm used to. If I hadn't received a copy of Cakewalk Guitar Tracks for Xmas when I was 14, I'd probably be using Reaper right now.

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Re: Which beginner DAW?
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2010, 03:54:16 PM »
As an update, I've just bought the licence for reaper now. I like the program, it's incredibly powerful and easy to use, and I really appreciate their pricing and distribution policy: free to try a totally functional program. The fact that is only cost me £26 quid also has a big impact on my inclination to buy it.

I just wish more companies used this model! It's a risk because you *could* just use reaper free continuously, but hey, it's obviously worked with me and I'm sure it's worked with others as well!

Roo

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Re: Which beginner DAW?
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2010, 04:23:14 PM »
What roo said.

Its an odd business strategy, but a clever one. Reaper is a fully functional DAW that hangs with sonar, cubase, logic, protools, and is even better in some ways (worse in others, but the same can be said for all of them). A huge advantage is its small size, comparatively tiny system footprint and tremendous speed. Its hands down the fastest DAW, and probably the most stable as well.

But

Theres always a but

Their distribution and pricing makes many look down on it. They assume its inferior or inadequate. I've even seen people make the idiot assumption that its basic sound reproduction is inferior because of its low cost (all DAWs sound identical). So they likely loose some custom because of their price point and peoples price-connected expectations. So, they lose a snob market.

On the other hand, as roo says, how many people try it out, use it for free and then go 'its only £26, I should pay the people that made the tools I'm using/I'm getting sick of this waiting screen/it would be good at 20 times the price/whatever'? Its probably WAY more people.

There will inevitably be people that use it indefinitely without paying the lisence fee. The technical term for those people is 'shitebags'.

But the strategy is very clever. I'll wager that the number of people that try it then pay for it, even if its after months or years, is greater by *far* than the number that would pay the ~ £400 it *should* cost were its worth calibrated by the price of similarly capable DAWs.

In a market where there are 3 options:
Option A: make a good product and charge several hundred quid for it and copy protect the hell out of it
Option B: similar price but dongled
Option C: even more expensive and tied to hardware as the dongle
They went for option D: great product, very low price, free distribution, pay on the honour system. Its a clever and brave option.

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Re: Which beginner DAW?
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2010, 05:10:46 PM »
I must admit i did use reaper past the grace period when I had been made redundant but i did purchase it as soon as i got myself back on my feet

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Re: Which beginner DAW?
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2011, 08:39:55 AM »
I don't think anyone would begrudge you that, T.  :)

I just found this thread, and just in time too. I was about to buy Cubase 5 Essential, as I am familiar with the Cubase UI. However, reading all this and seeing how they price / sell it is very attractive, so I'll give it a go before I spend £123 on Cubase.

Cheers!

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Re: Which beginner DAW?
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2011, 07:52:16 AM »
Started using Reaper on trial on my iMac over the last 3 days, and come payday, will be buying.

its the drums that if got to get sorted now, anyone know whether EZDrummer or Superior Drummer can support MIDI files from guitar pro 6? or whether the MIDI file goes to the DAW and the samples are then imported onto the track from EZD /SD2?

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Re: Which beginner DAW?
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2011, 11:15:38 AM »
Started using Reaper on trial on my iMac over the last 3 days, and come payday, will be buying.

its the drums that if got to get sorted now, anyone know whether EZDrummer or Superior Drummer can support MIDI files from guitar pro 6? or whether the MIDI file goes to the DAW and the samples are then imported onto the track from EZD /SD2?

apologies for the threadjack

You can just drop the midi file in from guitar pro 6 and load ezd or an equivalent and it will just trigger the samples straight from the midi and you can edit as you go along.

I'm about to write up a tutorial on using VST drum samplers on Jamsite which you may find helpful.

www.infocus.ho8.com/jamsite if you are interested its pretty much just a recording forum at the moment with some very good advice on it but i do have plans to take it further once theres more members over there

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Re: Which beginner DAW?
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2011, 12:00:04 PM »
cool - thanks for the info
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