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Re: is anyone here a sparky?
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2010, 06:14:19 PM »
I would take pictures if I were you. Best would have been BEFORE the signing of the lease or rental agreement. I did that on my 3rd apartment and it really saved me some hassle. Little tiny things, but they wanted to charge me for them. I wouldn't give up just yet.

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Re: is anyone here a sparky?
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2010, 08:37:49 PM »

I own a house and rent a house out.


Facist Landlord Scum  :P

Interesting to know that info, I'll let my facist landlord scum mate know.  The house we're in (we rent) was rewired recently as everytime we put the emmersion heater on, there was a funny smell.  Turns out it was all wired by an idiot and the shower and heater were wied together with a socket as a junction box and the whole thing was wired with extension cord.  We only found all this out when the light in the front room started to flash while it was switched off

There were also no earths in the entire house and every connection was made with a junction box (there was about 100 of them).  All in all the place was lethal.

He probably wired it like that becuase you called him a Facist Landlord Scum :wink:

I've been trying to sell that house for 2 years so more of a reluctant landlord myself.  But I try not to electrocute the tennants none-the-less. 

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Re: is anyone here a sparky?
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2010, 09:52:09 AM »
Not if they're good ones anyway  :lol:
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Re: is anyone here a sparky?
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2010, 10:11:52 PM »
had a look at the socket...

I expected it to have plugs and screws in the back... but i think the back box was just held in the wall by the plaster, which has got dry and broken. got my heating fixed and got my hot water running too! wow!

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Re: is anyone here a sparky?
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2010, 10:41:47 AM »
My new place had one of those meters when I went to look round, the leccy provider will change it over if you ask nicely. Helps if you're a previous customer who always paid bills on time, otherwise they might ask for a deposit. If they do then ask them if they are legally entitled to demand a deposit. Then say you'll take legal advice and get back to them. BT used to pull that trick with new phone lines, £150 deposit or no phone. Oftel told them to stop doing it, they kept doing it. Electricity companies are catching onto the same dubious business practices.

I wouldn't be so sure - I work in the energy industry and all the suppliers I've spoken to observe the '12 month' rule on changing pre-pay meters to credit meters.  Additionally, there is also a charge to have the meter exchanged in this scenario, my employers charge £60.00 which is in line with what other suppliers seem to charge too.

You will likely get the meter exchanged if you've been with your current supplier at previous addresses and have a good payment history, but you would still incur the £60.00 fee. 

With rented accomodation, the landlords often don't like you doing this either as they're left with tenants who move out and leave the final bill unpaid - more of a headache for them.  From a landlord POV, pre-pay is less hassle.

As for your landlord having not registered your deposit with a scheme, this is not mandatory - 'good' landlords will voluntarily be active with such a scheme.  Hindsight is great aint it.

I wouldn't view a pre-pay meter as a 'bad' thing, the whole industry was brought into line with credit meter tariffs a couple of years back with some people paying less with pre-pay meters than they would if they switched to a credit meter.




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Re: is anyone here a sparky?
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2010, 03:21:52 PM »
My new place had one of those meters when I went to look round, the leccy provider will change it over if you ask nicely. Helps if you're a previous customer who always paid bills on time, otherwise they might ask for a deposit. If they do then ask them if they are legally entitled to demand a deposit. Then say you'll take legal advice and get back to them. BT used to pull that trick with new phone lines, £150 deposit or no phone. Oftel told them to stop doing it, they kept doing it. Electricity companies are catching onto the same dubious business practices.

I wouldn't be so sure - I work in the energy industry and all the suppliers I've spoken to observe the '12 month' rule on changing pre-pay meters to credit meters.  Additionally, there is also a charge to have the meter exchanged in this scenario, my employers charge £60.00 which is in line with what other suppliers seem to charge too.

You will likely get the meter exchanged if you've been with your current supplier at previous addresses and have a good payment history, but you would still incur the £60.00 fee. 

With rented accomodation, the landlords often don't like you doing this either as they're left with tenants who move out and leave the final bill unpaid - more of a headache for them.  From a landlord POV, pre-pay is less hassle.

As for your landlord having not registered your deposit with a scheme, this is not mandatory - 'good' landlords will voluntarily be active with such a scheme.  Hindsight is great aint it.

I wouldn't view a pre-pay meter as a 'bad' thing, the whole industry was brought into line with credit meter tariffs a couple of years back with some people paying less with pre-pay meters than they would if they switched to a credit meter.





the meter are odd. currently, Gas is quarterly, and electricity is prepay but i think only for my flat. each floor in the building is a 1 bed flat. She said she was looking into getting it changed but now i live there she can't do it, because it is now in effect my meter.

as for the deposit, that has to be in a scheme under law within 14 days, if it isn't then its possible i can claim back the deposit + 3x the deposit from her and while it its registered it can make it really hard to evict me.

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Re: is anyone here a sparky?
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2010, 01:31:39 AM »
Im an electrician. You shouldn't really be allowed to rent anywhere if the landlord hasn't got a certificate to show the installation has been inspected and tested.

If the electrics are in a mess im sure that would be enough to get you out of any contract.

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Re: is anyone here a sparky?
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2010, 01:46:39 AM »

I fixed that bad socket in the end.
The electrics don't need to be checked in the same way the gas does, but they should be safe and visually inspected. thats what i found out looking at various websites.

the socket a dual face plate with metal back box. I switched off that ring of sockets at the breaker and took it apart.
the back box must have only been plastered into the wall. there was no plug or screw fixing it at the back. It had mostly really soft plaster behind it but i managed to get one plug in the centre strong enough to hold the box, then I used polyfiller where the old plaster had fallen out.
its pretty solid know.

since then, i found another socket which doesn't have shutters that open. so its useless and the plastic back box on a socket by the cooker has a stripped thread, so it won't fasten at one side. The back box however has been tiled into the wall, so getting it out would be a nightmare. so im not going to bother.

the boiler and heating is still odd. boiler seems to slowly loose pressure. anyway. its all getting up to scratch slowly!

painting and decorating in the day, while at the same time working 10hour night shifts, over a week. is not fun!

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Re: is anyone here a sparky?
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2010, 01:51:25 AM »
You can get new screws and a rethreading tool to get the cooker point fixed back. Just don't over tighten the newly threaded holes.

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Re: is anyone here a sparky?
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2010, 01:54:31 AM »
cheers! i didn't know that.
I'll ask about that when I go to get a new faceplate for the other socket.
the RCD for those sockets has a smashed switch. it still works, but its a jagged mess. i should probably swap that too.

oh well! sorting this place out has been a nightmare. I might put up some 'before and after' shots! haha.

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Re: is anyone here a sparky?
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2010, 01:49:16 PM »
You ought to get something for the time and effort (not to mention materials) in sorting it out. Like a reduction in rent for example.
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Re: is anyone here a sparky?
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2010, 01:56:45 PM »
you're right.
the agency took away their fee's to put towards paint & tools etc, but It's been empty for a few weeks now because of the paint smell and lack of space while i've been working.

My girlfriend is going to start moving in on wednesday, but the bedroom skirting and such needs painting still, along with the hall and bathroom. At the moment the bed is in the living/kitchen space. Like a studio. It's mostly cleaning the walls from this point. no more filling huge cracks and that. But I think you're right, when we move out they could probably increase the rent by £100 a month easily. Thats why I feel so annoyed about the whole thing. Like im being taken advantage of.

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Re: is anyone here a sparky?
« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2010, 03:37:25 AM »
Why the hell are you doing this work? Surely it's the landlords job.