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« on: January 04, 2006, 08:34:39 PM »
Need some help here anyone know of any good sites on home recording, which could also help me with choosing equipment ,costs, how to use, etc.etc. All help greatfully recieved.
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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2006, 09:35:45 PM »
my setup:
Shure sm57 mic for the cab, m-audio fast track and a recording software.
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2006, 10:17:17 PM »
very easy and pretty cheap these days!

You need to decide if you want to be computer based or look at hardware. Computers are great if you can keep them running. PCs are worse for keeping happy, Macs are friendlier and harder to break.

Hardware like the Yamaha AW1600 (I think) is great value. You;ll struggle to get a computer, good software and a soundcard for that kind of money.

If you're looking at a PC system, get one from a music retailer that specializes in music PCs - then if it goes wrong they can sort i, and it's less likely to go wrong in the first place!

Don't use a soundblaster......look at emu and m-audio cards in the botom end.

Do buy the software - hacked/pirated software will be lots more trouble than it's worth in money saved!!

www.sospubs.co.uk is the sound on sound mag site - very useful for reviews and articles.  Somebody on the SOS staff bought a set of MQ pickups at Music Live so they have good taste!!

Set a budget, and work to that. You can get a soundcard/audiointerface and a mic and use free software like Audacity for under £200.

What do you want to record? Just one giutar, guitar over backing tracks, record drums, be Brian May for a day?

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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2006, 11:45:20 PM »
In my opinion i would go for a all in one stand alone unit.Something like the Zoom MRS rangs or the Boss BR range of multitrackers.Ideal for guitarists,built in drums,effects and straight forward to use.
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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2006, 07:42:50 AM »
Also, easy to take around- useful if you are working with someone else. The downside is the obsolescence aspect.
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2006, 08:32:06 AM »
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Also, easy to take around- useful if you are working with someone else. The downside is the obsolescence aspect.


Try not to get too hung up on that - whatever you buy will still be able to do what it can do now in 10 years! It's a vicious circle!!
 
The Mac I do most of my recording on is 6 years old - still does enough tracks and runs the latest version of Logic, and touch wood gives very little trouble. I could upgrade it but if it ain't broke don't fix it!!
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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2006, 03:53:56 PM »
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Also, easy to take around- useful if you are working with someone else. The downside is the obsolescence aspect.

Try not to get too hung up on that - whatever you buy will still be able to do what it can do now in 10 years! It's a vicious circle!! The Mac I do most of my recording on is 6 years old - still does enough tracks and runs the latest version of Logic, and touch wood gives very little trouble. I could upgrade it but if it ain't broke don't fix it!!

Breaking can be a problem!  The G3 PowerBook I got in 1999 finally cr@pped out a year or so ago; the G4 iBook that replaced it is still trucking, but I worry about it.  Mind you, a less nomadic lifestyle than mine that involves stationary desktop machines will result in less wear and tear! ;)

Plausible multitrack recording software is cheap.  Macs basically come with GarageBand (which is sort of "Logic Lite") for free, and that will get you a long way.  If GB gained the ability to specify tempo and key changes within a song (rather useful!), it would be pretty killer. My PC using friends swear by N-Track Studio, which is shareware, the cheapo version of Cubase (whichever two letter designation it has) is easily found in Mac and PC versions.

There are lots of decent USB or Firewire audio interfaces these days. I decided I didn't need Firewire throughput  since I'm not recording more than a track or so at a time, though Firewire would be useful for multitracking a band all playing simultaneously.  However, I'm tempted to replace my current USB interface with one of the new Line6 Toneports, which is just another USB audio interfaces but with the Gearbox guitar/bass amp-modelling software thrown in.  Guitar and line level inputs, even phantom power for mics on the higher end model -- all at a reasonable price, really.  I might replace my Tascam with it, just to get the guitar/bass amp models.

I'm of two minds regarding the obselescence issue.  If I buy standalone hardware (drum machine, POD thing, even a guitar!), it will likely keep doing what it says on the tin, if no more, forever as long as I don't trash it.  If I buy something software-based, it's more likely to be upgradeable -- but also more likely to stop working altogether if my old machine dies and has to be replaced by a new machine or OS that doesn't support this particular software.  This is my main dillemna regarding amp modellers: the PODs stand alone, but the guitar model has no bass amps and vice versa, while Gearbox is realtively cheaper but is just software tied to the computer.  Have to think more about it ....

I'm still trying to settle on a decentish condenser mic for vocals and acoustic instruments.  I've been thinking mostly about the Rode NT1A and AKG C3000B, but haven't reached a decision.  Obviously, if you're mic'ing amps, an SM57 is indispensible :)
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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2006, 11:32:29 PM »
The Electro-Voice RE510 is another nice condenser mic you could consider. It costs roughly as much as the Rode. I don't have a lot of experience with mics, I can only say that I have an RE510 and it's great. :)

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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2006, 12:03:35 AM »
SM57 - if you play guitar it's the first mic you should buy, around £70 and worth every penny.

After that, the next microphone you'd want to get is a condenser mic, you can get a good low priced one (I'd say cheap but that implies poor quality, not the case) like the Studio Projects B1 condenser that seems to be getting rave reviews all over for around £60 (http://www.dv247.com/invt/2859), I read a review in my mate's sound recording magazine ('sound on sound'?) that rated it really highly, in fact the reviewer bought one for himself he was so impressed.

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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2006, 11:03:44 AM »
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After that, the next microphone you'd want to get is a condenser mic, you can get a good low priced one (I'd say cheap but that implies poor quality, not the case) like the Studio Projects B1 condenser that seems to be getting rave reviews all over for around £60 (http://www.dv247.com/invt/2859), I read a review in my mate's sound recording magazine ('sound on sound'?) that rated it really highly, in fact the reviewer bought one for himself he was so impressed.

A quick google found me a PDF of the SOS review off of Studio Projects' web site: http://www.studioprojects.com/pdf/SOS_B1.pdf

Looks fab for the home-studio hobbyist!  Less than half the price of the AKG3000B or and about half the Rode NT1A, but judging by the review, not far off in quality from either.  The reviewer says he though it worked well for vocals and acoustic instruments, which is just the sort of thing I'd be mic'ing, so I might have to move the B1 up my list.  Then I'd have an extra 60 or 70 quid for something else (sort of :)).

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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2006, 01:04:49 PM »
+1 for Rode mics.

I've got a Rode NT-1 and a pair of matched NT5's and I've got very good results mic-ing up acoustic guitar, vocals, mandolin, and violin with them. I tend to save my SM57 for guitar cabs but keep intending to give the NT-1 a bash at it.

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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2006, 04:01:49 PM »
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After that, the next microphone you'd want to get is a condenser mic, you can get a good low priced one (I'd say cheap but that implies poor quality, not the case) like the Studio Projects B1 condenser that seems to be getting rave reviews all over for around £60 (http://www.dv247.com/invt/2859), I read a review in my mate's sound recording magazine ('sound on sound'?) that rated it really highly, in fact the reviewer bought one for himself he was so impressed.

A quick google found me a PDF of the SOS review off of Studio Projects' web site: http://www.studioprojects.com/pdf/SOS_B1.pdf

Looks fab for the home-studio hobbyist!  Less than half the price of the AKG3000B or and about half the Rode NT1A, but judging by the review, not far off in quality from either.  The reviewer says he though it worked well for vocals and acoustic instruments, which is just the sort of thing I'd be mic'ing, so I might have to move the B1 up my list.  Then I'd have an extra 60 or 70 quid for something else (sort of :)).

Cheers,
Carl


awesome, I never realised you'd be able to get the review off the net - saves me borrowing my mate Gurb's magazines hehehe

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« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2006, 05:43:55 PM »
The sound on sound website has a vast resources section of technical articles and reviews stored on it. The more recent stuff is subscriber only but aftre 6 months or thereabouts it is unlocked for public viewing. Very useful forum for recording queries too :)
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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2006, 06:10:28 PM »
I've got a TLAudio FatMan 1 Compressor.  http://www.fat-man.co.uk/docs/product/archive_1.htm

SOS review here http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun00/articles/tlafat.htm

The FatMan's a hybrid valve compressor with a Hi Z input so you can plug a guitar straight in.  The compressor is solid state but it's got a ECC83 pre-amp.  Guitar's sound great plugged into the compressor then the compressor into the sound card.  If you then run guitar amp software on your PC you can avoid the noise from micing up an amp.

The rest of my set up is SM57 mic, Mackie 1604 VLZ mixer, M-Audio 1010LT sound card.  And of Novation Supernova for when I want to make beepy noises.

The M-Audio card is great - 8 channels in and out and very low latency.
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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2006, 06:15:41 PM »
how much did your FatMan cost? sorry i can't even be bothered to do a google search for it.