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Twinfan

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Re: New BKP pickup EQ charts confusing?
« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2011, 01:27:26 PM »
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Phil - I'm with you 100%.  Even the tone clips are limited in their use as the guitar/amp/cab/speakers aren't mentioned anywhere.
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Re: New BKP pickup EQ charts confusing?
« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2011, 01:48:47 PM »
And I dont really care that youre confused; I've tried to answer your questions but the fact is that part and parcel of the method used being to make it as representative as possible for as many people as possible, It was never going to work for everyone.

Plus they're there to be used in conjunction with all the other information available (inculding calling and asking, posting on here, user clips etc etc).

The method is better, however, than a couple of people stitting and making them up, because while they might look more consistent from pickup to pickup that brings in all the problems that phil raises that I tried to get around; but the numbers are still taken as gospel, as though they're empirical measurements, by majority of customers, which they arent, which is why they were never on the site for so long. So, more confusing or more misleading? Eeenee meenee mineee...

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Re: New BKP pickup EQ charts confusing?
« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2011, 01:55:46 PM »
fwiw the original data, before averaged with tims estimates, has the riff raff at 5-8-7 (rounded up) and the emerald was the only bridge HB I didnt get any estimates for, so that was BK in-house estimate, not from the survey.

Edit - no, the reble yell is 587, the riff raff is 577. VHII is 467

Much of the difference will simply be from rounding
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Philly Q

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Re: New BKP pickup EQ charts confusing?
« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2011, 03:05:54 PM »
The B-M-T definitions seem to work OK for DiMarzio and Seymour Duncan though, and you kinda know what you're getting?

Sort of.... but isn't that largely based on you, the customer, knowing a couple of the pickups from personal experience, then using that knowledge plus the tone charts to make new choices?  I don't think anybody's tone charts really work as stand-alone tools.  And (unless I'm missing something here) I don't think DiMarzio and Duncan's numbers give much indication of relative performance and output, any more than the BKP ones do.  They're still just giving an indication of the EQ for that particular pickup. 

(Incidentally, for the models I've tried, the numbers in the DiMarzio tone charts always seem about right to me, but the Duncan ones seem way off.  I guess it depends what they're taking as the "average" or start point.)

Gotta say, I'm a bit baffled by this thread.  OK, so the clips and tone charts don't work for everyone.  But loads of people were asking for them, for years.  Now we've got them, and suddenly we're piping up with the "what guitar was it, what amp was it, how was it recorded, apples and oranges..." stuff again.  Surely we've been through all that enough times?  If they don't work for you, you don't have to use them.  We managed without them before!  :P
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Re: New BKP pickup EQ charts confusing?
« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2011, 03:14:21 PM »
I guess I was trying to find out if the BKP ones could be improved in some way to make them more useful.  I was hoping the new site would be an improvement, but to me I don't think it is.

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« Last Edit: March 16, 2011, 04:51:21 PM by Twinfan »

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Re: New BKP pickup EQ charts confusing?
« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2011, 03:36:05 PM »
I can now see why Tim was originally not up for EQ charts.

This just goes to prive that people will never be happy no matter what is handed to them.

Even if they asked for it they still want more!

And also just to clear it up i arent having a go at anyone then just stating what i've gathered from this thread.

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Re: New BKP pickup EQ charts confusing?
« Reply #36 on: April 13, 2011, 11:34:46 AM »
Sorry to bring this up again, but I don't think that point was addressed in the discussion:are the EQ ratings for the pickups as a set or mainly for the bridge pickups?

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Re: New BKP pickup EQ charts confusing?
« Reply #37 on: April 13, 2011, 12:31:13 PM »
Sorry to bring this up again, but I don't think that point was addressed in the discussion:are the EQ ratings for the pickups as a set or mainly for the bridge pickups?

Bridge.  I think!
BKPs I've Got:  RR, BKP-91, ITs, VHII, CS set, Emeralds
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