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Denim n Leather

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BONE PICKS are here
« on: April 23, 2011, 12:59:31 PM »
Don't know why the other thread was removed, I don't think that was necessary. Perhaps a little editing, but outright nuking was a bit extreme, imo.

In any event, the bone picks arrived last night. I only gave them a quick run-through, so a lot more experimentation will be required, but I do have some initial thoughts.

First, some background -- I've used most of the major pick tpes throughout the years, celluloid, nylon, Tortex, thick Dunlop plastic, brass, steel, and Redbear. For acoustic guitar the Redbears are probably the best sounding, but they are absolutely the worst picks to use live -- they literally melt under the heat and pressure of playing a gig. They are also prohibitively expensive and really darken up your tone, so I would advise trying before you plunk down $20 for a single pick which will melt if you expose it to gig levels of sweat/heat.

After a lot of experimentation, I settled back to Fender Premium Celluloid, heavy gauge picks. I like the snap and attack they have, not a fan of their lifespan, howver.

On to the bone picks --

They are very well machined and polished. They are also very thick and inflexible, so if you like doing the celluloid bendy trick, you're out of luck with these.

I spent some time going back and forth between the bone and Fender Preminum Celluloid (I didn't bust out a Redbear for comparison). My subjective impressions are that the bone picks are very comfortable. They don't slide around as much as celluloid in your hand. Tonally, they add a nice, very low-level 'chunk' to the tone, without darkening the top end of the attack like Redbear.

When I went to the Fender, I was immediately struck at how plastic and 2 Dimensional the pick attack sounds in comparison. The tonal differences are definitely more along the lines of feel and the I-definitely-notice-it-but-wonder-if-anyone-else-would variety.

After about 30 minutes of playing with the bone pick, the tonal quality struck me -- It has a sort of organic quality that I've never heard before, even with the Redbear; the attack is very reminiscent of playing a nylon string guitar with your finger nails, in fact. Not exactly that sound, of course, but if you've ever played classical guitar, you know the tone -- it's round, it has a beautifully muted midrange, full bass and lots of resonance. In comparison, the Fender is simply 'plak, plak, plak' sounding -- very thin and insubstantial in comparison.

As I experiment further, I will post more.
« Last Edit: April 23, 2011, 01:17:07 PM by Denim n Leather »

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Re: BONE PICKS are here
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2011, 01:51:46 PM »
That's very interesting.

I've found the same as you with Redbear (the darkening, not the melting part - you must be one hot guitarist!! :lol:). I quite liked the Redbear, but I've never actually used one on a recording - I always seemed to want more top end and so switched to my more usual Dunlop (nylon or tortex, depending on what I need).

So this post makes me think mebbe I might like the bone picks.
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Re: BONE PICKS are here
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2011, 02:00:43 PM »
HA! Not hot, just sweaty! At gigs, I swear I'm going to melt. Moisture breaks down the Redbear's plant fibre, which is why they melt.

I may try to make a recording comparing the Redbear/bone/celluloid, but dunno how it will translate. I do know that if I cut a track using the Redbear that I have to EQ the guitar to compensate for the darkness, so maybe it will translate ... maybe not.

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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2011, 11:28:36 PM »
Thanks for the report. Given your initial findings, these are of interest to me. One thing I'm concerned about that will only show with time is wear.

If you do do the clips, please dont eq for the redbear! Wanna see what its going to sound like on the same settings, what the pick really does!

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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2011, 03:14:34 AM »
I still use plastic ones. Pink ones.

Sometimes I like the green ones.

Depends which one I pick up first really.

I think the green ones sound better. Although I could be wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2011, 05:45:06 PM »
whether the improvement is in your ears only is basically all that counts in the end.  :D
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2011, 06:24:08 PM »
whether the improvement is in your ears only is basically all that counts in the end.  :D

:lol: I'd agree with that.

I choose a pick (from the little pile on hand) more for "feel". I never really considered tone that much until I was recording one day and I couldn't get the tone I wanted for a part. I was using a Redbear that day, it felt nice. But no amount of fiddling with the settings was getting me the bite I wanted without adding some fizz I didn't want. Then I tried different picks with the same settings - BKP picks did it better, but the good old Dunlop Nylon .88s I always used to use in gigs years ago turned out to be perfect...

After that I went out and bought a load of the .88s again, plus some (Dunlop Tortex) yellow ones and green ones and red ones (I used all of these regularly over the years before the Nylon .88s).

Ever since then I make sure there is one of each in a playable state (plus an old sixpence, various BKP thicknesses, and the Redbear) ready on the "pick and slide" stand...

On most days, I'm a bit like Frank - I like the one I pick up first :lol:. It's only when the tone doesn't seem to be working that I start experimenting with the other options. (Bear in mind that I do use fingers an awful lot though, even when there's a pick in my hand...)
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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2011, 07:54:17 PM »

Unicorn horn has the best tone :D

Joking aside I do like thick picks that are made of a hard material. 

These guys make nice picks

http://www.dugainpicks.com/

I like the stone ones, they have a really smooth glassy sound.  But at  a tenner a go it's a bit too much to end up in the tumble drier or the plectrum ether.




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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2011, 08:52:06 PM »
whether the improvement is in your ears only is basically all that counts in the end.  :D

Well, just because its in your ears doesnt mean its necessarily in anyone elses!

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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2011, 05:24:27 PM »
whether the improvement is in your ears only is basically all that counts in the end.  :D

Well, just because its in your ears doesnt mean its necessarily in anyone elses!

Didn't say it was....just said the players ears are the only one that counts.  If they find they hear a difference and it makes them happy...who gives a hoot what anyone else hears, thinks, or can prove to be fact or fiction. 
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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2011, 06:56:19 PM »
If they find they hear a difference and it makes them happy...who gives a hoot what anyone else hears, thinks, or can prove to be fact or fiction. 
Its all about what makes you :guitar4:

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Well said friend.

If you feel it, you feel it and even if the pick itself in reality doesn´t make a sound difference, the feel will influence your playing and therefore your sound.
If you like the pic for any reason at all, even if you just love the color and it sets you in, for example a psychodelic mood, it can positivly influence your playing.
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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2011, 09:48:45 PM »
whether the improvement is in your ears only is basically all that counts in the end.  :D

Well, just because its in your ears doesnt mean its necessarily in anyone elses!

Didn't say it was....just said the players ears are the only one that counts.  If they find they hear a difference and it makes them happy...who gives a hoot what anyone else hears, thinks, or can prove to be fact or fiction. 
Its all about what makes you :guitar4:


Yeah, well, theres that; true enough.

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« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2011, 04:29:02 AM »

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« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2011, 06:22:33 PM »
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Warpig = '88 Charvel Model 1