BKP Aftermath vs the Sh6 Duncan Distortion

[ERGBOXER]

Awesome vid comparison, I play thrash, death, Hell I've devised Djent for 20+ years with amp settings, I fear I may have invented it...lol.  I have a greatly varying taste in music with broad palettes of talent to my ears. From merely listening to this you tube vid you have prescribed, I can immediately recognize resonance and frequency graphs by hearing. They all have different combos of qualities, for instance: The seymour duncans have a slightly higher open static noise level less notable in the sh8 as its lower resonance and darker sound subdues this noise. The BK Pickups share none of this noise attribute. The static is musical and endears many as a warm kind of fizz in the ear. This fizz has a constant frequency and does not change acting like another note blended in. This is noise. Fizz from the notes in a pickup will change with that note but this fizz generated by noise does not and is a byproduct of the pickup. This would greatly be amplified and augmented coming through live stage settings. I have identified and studied the differences of each pickup and the list is too far expanse for this post.  But yes immediately I hear all kinds of differences and nuances and even influence in the player imposed by the pickups feel and sound character even though this player is very consistant thank you so much for finding such a great comparison.  :P

[Alex]

I never hear a lot of difference on those high gain tones, I hear most difference on clean, low to mid gain, and higher gain just before it goes into saturation.

[dark order flying V]

I only listened to a little bit of the video. The Duncans immediately sounded squishier than the others, the Aftermath was obviously much crunchier and tighter - it's "squeaky" tight, a little more open sounding, and has a more tense, angry midrange, which squares with my experience. I suppose Keith didn't change the patch he was playing through, which is good for comparison but doesn't show you what can be done to settle in with each individual pickup; EQing before the amp, fiddling with compression, etc.

My money is on the Warpig being more detailed sounding than the non-BKP options. (I was immediately blown away after replacing an alnico EMG.) I suppose you should get the Pig if you like to chug and you like the impact of the picking sound and a thick tone, or get the Aftermath if you want more brightness and a tenser, tighter crunch. The Warpig (at least the ceramic one I have) is not at all loose sounding, but the Aftermath has this immediate, dry sound that plays and feels differently. Either would be good depending on your needs.

I tried the aftermath and painkiller and both didnt have the guts and chunk of the sh6 and that is prevelant in that video, the aftermath is definately for tuned down jumpy jumpy bands and not what I need for Thrash Metal, but that warpig has definatly impresed me like mid point between the sh8 and the sh6

[dark order flying V]

Awesome vid comparison, I play thrash, death, Hell I've devised Djent for 20+ years with amp settings, I fear I may have invented it...lol.  I have a greatly varying taste in music with broad palettes of talent to my ears. From merely listening to this you tube vid you have prescribed, I can immediately recognize resonance and frequency graphs by hearing. They all have different combos of qualities, for instance: The seymour duncans have a slightly higher open static noise level less notable in the sh8 as its lower resonance and darker sound subdues this noise. The BK Pickups share none of this noise attribute. The static is musical and endears many as a warm kind of fizz in the ear. This fizz has a constant frequency and does not change acting like another note blended in. This is noise. Fizz from the notes in a pickup will change with that note but this fizz generated by noise does not and is a byproduct of the pickup. This would greatly be amplified and augmented coming through live stage settings. I have identified and studied the differences of each pickup and the list is too far expanse for this post.  But yes immediately I hear all kinds of differences and nuances and even influence in the player imposed by the pickups feel and sound character even though this player is very consistant thank you so much for finding such a great comparison.  :P

You've raised a very interesting point, in my experiance over the years of playing the Sh6, although there are many things I like about it, my pet peeeve and why I'm trying to find a BKP that wil ultimately replace the sh6 is that the sh6 needs more growl and when doing the typical sliding chords of Thrash Metal, it seems NOT to track as well as I'd like. It plam mutes, plays notey riffs and chord fuller and better than the BKP's but looses tracking fast changing riffs, and the wrapig seems NOT to have that problem...... So I'm very curious

[Madsakre]

Try out a ceramic warpig as i said earlier :)

[dark order flying V]

Try out a ceramic warpig as i said earlier :)

I hope so!!!! Anyone here have C-Pig and run straight into a Marshall with NO pedals????

[DoomBuggi]

Try out a ceramic warpig as i said earlier :)

I hope so!!!! Anyone here have C-Pig and run straight into a Marshall with NO pedals????

No but I'm thinking of giving it a go.

[fdesalvo]

Nothing wrong with liking the SH-6 if that's your cup of tea.

[Madsakre]

get a tubescreamer :P I dont like the JVM mainly because of its voicing. And i dont think the c-pig will like it too much either without a boost.

[dark order flying V]

get a tubescreamer :P I dont like the JVM mainly because of its voicing. And i dont think the c-pig will like it too much either without a boost.

Well, as a Marshall fan, I DON'T like the JVm either, too freaking glassy sounding, thats why I've stuck to the TSL100 JCM2000.

I just bought a SH8 Invader and it was interesting, too muddy for the Black V, so I placed it in my brighter and jangly natural V and its perfect. SOOOO, I'm pretty sure I will try a Ceramic Warpig, cause I don't use booster pedals....BBBUUUUTTTT I need the SAME EQ curve and resonant peak of the SH6, so I have heard the new vids from BKP, I like the Ceramic Nailbomb, and I like the Painkiller but it needs more palm muted punch and it would be the shite!!!

I wonder if I order a Painkiller and ask tim if he could wind it to 16.4K, the same a a SH6, will it be the punch I want????

[Philly Q]

I wonder if I order a Painkiller and ask tim if he could wind it to 16.4K, the same a a SH6, will it be the punch I want????

You could ask, but I don't think BKP are doing as many "bespoke" orders as they used to.  I think they're busier than they used to be and Tim is taking the view that there's a range of pickups, he's voiced them a certain way and he doesn't want to mess about with alternative magnets, different winds etc unless they're within the existing options.

(Apologies if that's putting words in Tim's mouth and I've got it wrong!)

[Slartibartfarst42]

Just read all 5 pages of this thread and the ceramic Warpig was one of the options I thought of from the start while I was never convinced you'd like the Aftermath. The other one I think you'll like is the alnico Nailbomb. I know you said you usually go ceramic, which is the obvious thing for Thrash, but you'd be amazed at how tight and aggressive the A-Bomb is. I honestly think you'd be impressed.

[dark order flying V]

Just read all 5 pages of this thread and the ceramic Warpig was one of the options I thought of from the start while I was never convinced you'd like the Aftermath. The other one I think you'll like is the alnico Nailbomb. I know you said you usually go ceramic, which is the obvious thing for Thrash, but you'd be amazed at how tight and aggressive the A-Bomb is. I honestly think you'd be impressed.

I hear what your saying, I noticed the cool tone the A-bomb has compared to the C-Bomb on the new BKP instruction Videos..... I guess that your saying that whether A-bomb or C-Bomb, these pickups are BETTER suited for a warm sound all mahogany guitar with ebony for THRASH , like Slayer cross Anthrax, better that the Painkiller or the C-pig ?????? In that video done by Keith I noticed that the C-Pig did NOT have that muddy bottom of the Invader, and I need upper mid spike for the growl and pick attach, low mids for the palm muted punching the front end of the amp.  :?

[Frank]

I wonder if I order a Painkiller and ask tim if he could wind it to 16.4K, the same a a SH6, will it be the punch I want????

DC resistance of a pickup gives little or no indication of how it's going to sound. While it may give a clue as to the number of windings and hence voltage output, it tells you nothing about frequency response or tone. DC resistance doesn't equal AC resistance and AC resistance doesn't stay the same at all frequencies. And unless your amp's seriously malfunctioning, there'll never be any significant DC running through your pickups.

[Madsakre]

 In that video done by Keith I noticed that the C-Pig did NOT have that muddy bottom of the Invader.

I do actually think that its a Alnico V Warpig he uses in that video.