A morning with the Jehova's

[Bob Gnarly]

We rarely get Jehova's round here. We do however have a daily swarm of driveway, double glazing, energy supplier salesmen, ringing the bell. Think that's worse. Can't stand cold callers.

[Alex]

JW are so wrong on many different levels, it's quite embarrassing. They are one of the few sects that rely on teachings that can be proven to be wrong, as members of the Adventists, Methodists or other religions have done. Saying you're a "JW" is basically like admitting you're not able to think properly or take a critical stance towards your teachings. Frankly, I am surprised they are still around and the organisation hasn't collapsed by now.

[Dmoney]

I dated a JW.
she wasn't right in the head.
I think the world has more than enough straight up crazy depressed or drug fueled loons and manipulative scumbags to perpetuate the cycle of various cult like groups.

[Sifu Ben]

JW are so wrong on many different levels, it's quite embarrassing. They are one of the few sects that rely on teachings that can be proven to be wrong, as members of the Adventists, Methodists or other religions have done. Saying you're a "JW" is basically like admitting you're not able to think properly or take a critical stance towards your teachings. Frankly, I am surprised they are still around and the organisation hasn't collapsed by now.

They're quite funny to discuss theology with. Even with their own special ropey translation of the bible, most of them clearly haven't read most of it, and they simply hold rigidly to dogma. They're also terrible for translating passages very literally with no context whatsoever. I think next time they come I'll ask them if they keep their menstruating women separate from them.

[Johnny Mac]

Tell them you would love to listen but you will be late for a blood doning appointment.
They are crazy fools. I tried to engage one once. I used evolution against his creation nonsense, so he said "what about an eye! They are too complex not to be designed." "They evolved like ears, noses & everything else." I said.  You athiests are all the same" he said. He was totally brainwashed poor chap.
It's all about selling their publication The Watchtower as far as I can see.
Nutters.  :shock:

[Sifu Ben]

Short earth creationism is actually fairly simple to challenge theologically, probably a more successful approach (or at least more likely to mess with them :D ) than adopting a rationalist position.

[nfe]

Short earth creationism is actually fairly simple to challenge theologically, probably a more successful approach (or at least more likely to mess with them :D ) than adopting a rationalist position.

It is however also EXTREMELY easy to argue in favour of (if you accept the established reading order of the books of the bible) from their point of view. It's a pretty pointless argument to indulge in. If fun when you're 16.

I used to go out with a JW and also winched her sister. By crikey did their mum loathe me.

[MrBump]

It's pointless and a waste of breath to try to challenge faith.

There is no argument.

As anyone of faith/without faith "What proof would you accept that God exists/doesn't exist?"

There's no answer.  Pointless.

[Sifu Ben]

Short earth creationism is actually fairly simple to challenge theologically, probably a more successful approach (or at least more likely to mess with them :D ) than adopting a rationalist position.

It is however also EXTREMELY easy to argue in favour of (if you accept the established reading order of the books of the bible) from their point of view. It's a pretty pointless argument to indulge in. If fun when you're 16.

I used to go out with a JW and also winched her sister. By crikey did their mum loathe me.

Yeah, I've got the killer point though. I can demonstrate that to read Genesis 1 literally is to engage in the heresy of deism :) Showing that an internally consistent system is actually inconsistent  is challenging.

[nfe]

Genesis 1? I can think of nothing that suggests deism in Genesis 1. Perhaps 2.16.

The free will = deism line is generally scoffed at by philosophers (with good reason, in my book) if that's what you're getting at?

[38thBeatle]

I have messed with the heads of JW's in the past. I no longer have the patience/inclination though- if they want to beleive that stuff then thats fine- just don't expect me to.

[Johnny Mac]

In some cases, the pay from their jobs goes to their group of other JWs and the rent and food bills get taken care of by th group they're with.
Now why would they do that I wonder.  :? Ahh money.

[Ratrod]

It's pointless and a waste of breath to try to challenge faith.

There is no argument.

As anyone of faith/without faith "What proof would you accept that God exists/doesn't exist?"

There's no answer.  Pointless.

"If you could reason with religeous people, there would be no religion." - House

[nfe]

In some cases, the pay from their jobs goes to their group of other JWs and the rent and food bills get taken care of by th group they're with.
Now why would they do that I wonder.  :? Ahh money.

I think that's a disingenuous way to state that, it would seem that even right up to the highest echelons they remain a pretty meek bunch. They do need money, but it really goes into their endless printing and the running of the council - though I'll happily be proven wrong. They deserve pelters for their abhorrent ideas, not for things we associate with wider faith groups that they may well not be guilty of. They're not an ancient organisation built on money and the controlling of it to their adherents.

It's pointless and a waste of breath to try to challenge faith.

There is no argument.

As anyone of faith/without faith "What proof would you accept that God exists/doesn't exist?"

There's no answer.  Pointless.

"If you could reason with religeous people, there would be no religion." - House

Good wholesome empty, pig-headed rhetoric a la Dawkins, that :lol:

[shobet]

We're all doomed anyway! http://judgementday2011.com/. I can't wait as I've been good all year.

Hands up who's been naughty.