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Re: Axe fx II is out
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2011, 01:41:55 PM »
An Axe-FX kicked your puppy did it, Frank? :lol:

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Re: Axe fx II is out
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2011, 03:10:29 PM »

What do the venerable BK denizens think of this new glorified VST dongle development in amp modelling technology?

As soon as I first saw the original this is what I was thinking, but it is a pretty powerful machine and does it's job well. A 1U or 2U short rack chassis with a dual-core and 4 gigs of memory and an EMU 1212m card(or something like that) would get you there with more flexibility in your effects choices, more processing power, on-the-fly recording and LOADS cheaper, even with a footswitch. Add a small flip-out monitor like you see sometimes in network racks and you're good to go. A dedicated guitar-puter that can also display boobies. If only I had more money to work with right now. It's been in my thoughts though. If you had a studio computer with Mac OS and you hackintoshed your guitar-puter, you could also sync them up and your studio computer could use the racked one's resources and CPU to give extra aid in recording and processing.

Or mic an amp.

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Re: Axe fx II is out
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2011, 03:30:17 PM »

What do the venerable BK denizens think of this new glorified VST dongle development in amp modelling technology?

As soon as I first saw the original this is what I was thinking, but it is a pretty powerful machine and does it's job well. A 1U or 2U short rack chassis with a dual-core and 4 gigs of memory and an EMU 1212m card(or something like that) would get you there with more flexibility in your effects choices, more processing power, on-the-fly recording and LOADS cheaper, even with a footswitch. Add a small flip-out monitor like you see sometimes in network racks and you're good to go. A dedicated guitar-puter that can also display boobies. If only I had more money to work with right now. It's been in my thoughts though. If you had a studio computer with Mac OS and you hackintoshed your guitar-puter, you could also sync them up and your studio computer could use the racked one's resources and CPU to give extra aid in recording and processing.

Or mic an amp.

 :lol: As a multi effects unit.

edit: Just read Hunter's post. I've not had any issue testing out the theory with my 3 Ghz dual-core with 4 gigs of memory and an Emu 1212m. It's a really good card and I just keep snapping them up when I see one used for $50 or so. Have one in my main, the HTPC, my GFs PC and two more in a box. Unless I tried to run a real CPU hog like Altiverb, there's no latency with a PCI card. Any of the main studio effects you would actually like to use in a live setting worked wonderfully. I used the Left in/out for into amp and the Right in/out for the loop. I set them up as 4 monos, instead of stereo pairs.
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Re: Axe fx II is out
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2011, 03:33:37 PM »
Sadly, this is how modern guitar gear is developed and sold. The manufacturer invents a "problem" that supposedly exists in current technology, then invents a ridiculously expensive "solution" to the non-existent problem. Then he covers it in flashy lights. Then people on guitar forums get excited about the flashy lights and don't bother listening to how bad these digital boat anchors actually sound.

See also: Gibson guitars with USB sockets.

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Re: Axe fx II is out
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2011, 03:41:13 PM »

What do the venerable BK denizens think of this new glorified VST dongle development in amp modelling technology?

As soon as I first saw the original this is what I was thinking, but it is a pretty powerful machine and does it's job well. A 1U or 2U short rack chassis with a dual-core and 4 gigs of memory and an EMU 1212m card(or something like that) would get you there with more flexibility in your effects choices, more processing power, on-the-fly recording and LOADS cheaper, even with a footswitch. Add a small flip-out monitor like you see sometimes in network racks and you're good to go. A dedicated guitar-puter that can also display boobies. If only I had more money to work with right now. It's been in my thoughts though. If you had a studio computer with Mac OS and you hackintoshed your guitar-puter, you could also sync them up and your studio computer could use the racked one's resources and CPU to give extra aid in recording and processing.

Or mic an amp.

 :lol: As a multi effects unit.

You never mentioned anything about it being for effect!

Mic an amp with a multi FX unit in the loop :P (Or some stomp boxes)

I will give the axe that though: while the modelling has left me cold consistently, the effects seem very high quality. If you compare to something like eventide rack units, then youre talking arguably similar quality and similar variety of effects, plus some amp models. From that perspective it makes sense, if you need that many effects.

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Re: Axe fx II is out
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2011, 03:52:49 PM »

What do the venerable BK denizens think of this new glorified VST dongle development in amp modelling technology?

As soon as I first saw the original this is what I was thinking, but it is a pretty powerful machine and does it's job well. A 1U or 2U short rack chassis with a dual-core and 4 gigs of memory and an EMU 1212m card(or something like that) would get you there with more flexibility in your effects choices, more processing power, on-the-fly recording and LOADS cheaper, even with a footswitch. Add a small flip-out monitor like you see sometimes in network racks and you're good to go. A dedicated guitar-puter that can also display boobies. If only I had more money to work with right now. It's been in my thoughts though. If you had a studio computer with Mac OS and you hackintoshed your guitar-puter, you could also sync them up and your studio computer could use the racked one's resources and CPU to give extra aid in recording and processing.

Or mic an amp.

 :lol: As a multi effects unit.

You never mentioned anything about it being for effect!

Mic an amp with a multi FX unit in the loop :P (Or some stomp boxes)

I will give the axe that though: while the modelling has left me cold consistently, the effects seem very high quality. If you compare to something like eventide rack units, then youre talking arguably similar quality and similar variety of effects, plus some amp models. From that perspective it makes sense, if you need that many effects.

Lol, sorry for that lack of clarity. I haven't had much sleep lately. I do agree a handful of mics are a better solution to getting the sound into whatever it is you are recording with. I guess the point I wanted to make was the part with the boobies.

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Re: Axe fx II is out
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2011, 04:03:53 PM »
Lol, sorry for that lack of clarity. I haven't had much sleep lately. I do agree a handful of mics are a better solution to getting the sound into whatever it is you are recording with. I guess the point I wanted to make was the part with the boobies.

er, what?

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Re: Axe fx II is out
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2011, 04:08:22 PM »
Lol, sorry for that lack of clarity. I haven't had much sleep lately. I do agree a handful of mics are a better solution to getting the sound into whatever it is you are recording with. I guess the point I wanted to make was the part with the boobies.

er, what?

You no like boobies?

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Re: Axe fx II is out
« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2011, 04:11:39 PM »
i always felt digital modeling was a good solution for low volume loud-like tone. but for loud tone, nothing beats the physics of the valves driving the power transformer and the speaker.
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Re: Axe fx II is out
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2011, 04:14:49 PM »
I believe there was plans for an FX only version, not sure what's going on with that.

The marketing does make it sounds rather nice but I'll wait for unbiased opinions, still want one.

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Re: Axe fx II is out
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2011, 04:15:59 PM »
Lol, sorry for that lack of clarity. I haven't had much sleep lately. I do agree a handful of mics are a better solution to getting the sound into whatever it is you are recording with. I guess the point I wanted to make was the part with the boobies.

er, what?

You no like boobies?

I think everyone likes boobies. It's pretty much universal.

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Re: Axe fx II is out
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2011, 04:25:47 PM »
i always felt digital modeling was a good solution for low volume loud-like tone. but for loud tone, nothing beats the physics of the valves driving the power transformer and the speaker.

It has 2 strengths IMO:

Easier to get a usable sound quickly, and indeed at any volume, so you can record late at night or whatever. Good for scratch tracks. Debatable for proper ones.

Consistency. Few amps and no mic placements have a 'save as' function! Good luck getting a sound back, exactly the same, a month after its been stripped down.

I quite like that though. It changes your workflow; you have to be prepared, whoevers playing be on the ball and get the performances down, and whatever sound you end up with will always be unique to the project (for better or worse). With recall of patches you can tinker with something for months, or years, and theres never a "RIGHT! this is IT, tracking time, this is the sound, lets go" moment or period, where the songs are DONE, and its time to get a project finished. I like that bit. Its part of the experience. Maybe I'm just odd though.

Of course reamping serves a similar purpose, insofar as you dont have to commit to one sound, you can always change it as long as you have the DIs, but whatever sound you get is still never going to be exactly replicable in later reamps if you change your mind.

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Re: Axe fx II is out
« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2011, 04:32:25 PM »
On the point of storing and reproducing a sound for a recording - just get a programmable tube preamp. Problem solved.

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Re: Axe fx II is out
« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2011, 04:36:21 PM »
On the point of storing and reproducing a sound for a recording - just get a programmable tube preamp. Problem solved.

You cant get programable mic placements. Thats the hardest part.

Edit - by hardest I mean hardest to reproduce.

I would never abandon mic choice and placement as a part of dialing in a serious gutiar sound, however.

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Re: Axe fx II is out
« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2011, 04:40:33 PM »
I still want to know why he said boobies.