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Re: Clear, transparent, subtle-ish overdrive pedal with no fizz?
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2011, 06:36:01 PM »
I think it might work the other way. It's a conversation point that puts his name in the right places on the internet and pedal geeks like me get to hear about him. It might drive more customers to him.

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Re: Clear, transparent, subtle-ish overdrive pedal with no fizz?
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2011, 07:26:16 PM »
I think it might work the other way. It's a conversation point that puts his name in the right places on the internet and pedal geeks like me get to hear about him. It might drive more customers to him.

Possibly and I kind of hope it does.

Still naughty of a commercial manufacturer to rip of an in-production pedal...
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Re: Clear, transparent, subtle-ish overdrive pedal with no fizz?
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2011, 08:41:57 PM »
The Version 2 is even more of a rip off of the Timmy as it includes the internal switching found in Paul Cochranes' design.  As to ethics a) if you condemn Danelectro you have to condemn pretty much the entire industry for their Tubescreamer clones b) Paul Cochrane even after a few years of the Dano clone being on the market has a 4-6 month waiting list (as he always had) so it hasn't made his business suffer c) The Dano is a nice pedal, but it is cheap made with hard to use pots, the Timmy is a high quality pedal that, if you listen to the Youtube demos, smokes the Dano.
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Re: Clear, transparent, subtle-ish overdrive pedal with no fizz?
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2011, 09:22:55 PM »
^ i was under the impression that superficially the v2 was more like the timmy (because of the dip switches etc.), but that the circuit had been changed (ditto with the drive versus the ocd). However, that's just from what I've read about the subject, I haven't done any research of my own. EDIT: yeah... i could easily imagine that the timmy would be better... the dano's nice, but with the qualifier "for the money". That's kinda why I think it's crazy that some people are paying daft prices for it now it's been discontinued... i mean the real thing (as long as you don't mind a wait) isn't exactly that expensive either, why not just get it?

I think it might work the other way. It's a conversation point that puts his name in the right places on the internet and pedal geeks like me get to hear about him. It might drive more customers to him.

i don't know for sure what the final percentages would be, but certainly it might push a certain type of customer towards him- i know that now i have  (presumably) a fair idea of how it'll sound, i'd be much more willing to get on the waiting list.

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Re: Clear, transparent, subtle-ish overdrive pedal with no fizz?
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2011, 09:48:36 PM »

I had the V1, it was nice

I've tried a Timmy, it was very nice.

The problem with the Timmy is the waiting list and the lack of a decent website for easy order from the UK
But they are very good value if you are prepared to wait, they are not massively expensive pedals

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Re: Clear, transparent, subtle-ish overdrive pedal with no fizz?
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2011, 10:04:46 PM »
Does such a thing exist?

A mate's after one to put in front of a clean amp, and I'm really struggling to come up with any suggestions.  He has an Xotic AC+ which is more of booster, so it doesn't do the job he thought it might.  Tubescreamers and my Klone are a bit middy, and a fuzz pedal is too fuzzy!

ZVex Box of Rock might do the trick?  Anything else?

Having played the Dano CTO-1 low-cost copy, I think the Timmy might works fine here. It (well, the Dano  at least but from the reports and vids I'd expect the original to be quite similar, just better)  doesn't have the TS mid-bump, it can gives really subtle, "just about to break-up" overdrives, and really respects both the guitar and amp tones.

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Re: Clear, transparent, subtle-ish overdrive pedal with no fizz?
« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2011, 11:39:27 PM »
My favorite pedal of all time is my Keeley Time Machine Boost. I sold my BB Pre Amp which was good but not really working well to goose my MK50 and got the black ltd edition TMB and it works a treat. If retains so much clarity and definition ... amazing.
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Re: Clear, transparent, subtle-ish overdrive pedal with no fizz?
« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2011, 06:42:28 AM »
We're veering O/T with this, but legally you cannot copyright a circuit. You can copyright PCB, but if they reverse engineer their own from the schematic (can use exactly the same components), then in the eyes of the law, you're fine. Which is what Dano have done.

But yes, you're right, the entire pedal making industry is built on clones. The number of pedals out there that are variations on old tube screamer, muff or fuzz face circuits is astonishing (covers the vast majority of ODs and fuzzes). But at least they are usually variations where people have used different components rather than a like-for-like copy. I suppose the same could be said for the amp industry. So maybe my point is bollocks...  hmmmm... I think I've argued myself into a corner.

In answer to the original question though, the last tube pedal I made (the Boob Tube), probably is as close to brief as I've ever got. It's a tweaked valve caster that overdrives my new very clean amp in a very natural tubey way. I really, really like it. Just going to tweak it a little more at the weekend. But it's nigh on spot on.
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Re: Clear, transparent, subtle-ish overdrive pedal with no fizz?
« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2011, 07:21:26 AM »
So question is how much would a great named boob tube cost?
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Re: Clear, transparent, subtle-ish overdrive pedal with no fizz?
« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2011, 09:55:51 AM »
Would have to work it out. Also I'd need to make it a little more robust for someone using it in anger. I'll get back to you.

Twinfan if you fancy a trip over the pennines to try a few things out, all my stuff is over at cleggy's at the mo. Youre welcome to come over and have a play tomorrow if youre free.
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Re: Clear, transparent, subtle-ish overdrive pedal with no fizz?
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2011, 10:21:25 AM »
Cheers dude, but I'm busy this weekend and it's for a mate not me!  I've sent him the TO details, which being cheap will be right up his street at the moment.

He uses an Ibanez 335-a-like with Stormy Mondays into a Fender Blues Junior...

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Re: Clear, transparent, subtle-ish overdrive pedal with no fizz?
« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2011, 10:44:14 AM »
Cheers dude, but I'm busy this weekend and it's for a mate not me!  I've sent him the TO details, which being cheap will be right up his street at the moment.

He uses an Ibanez 335-a-like with Stormy Mondays into a Fender Blues Junior...

He could bring them over and try a few things if he liked. I'll be over tomorrow doing pedally shiteee anyhow.

Offer is open to anyone else who's bored and in the huddersfield area tomorrow also as long as you don't mind the stench of solder as I crack on whilst you play.
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Re: Clear, transparent, subtle-ish overdrive pedal with no fizz?
« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2011, 11:51:41 AM »

I had the V1, it was nice

I've tried a Timmy, it was very nice.

The problem with the Timmy is the waiting list and the lack of a decent website for easy order from the UK
But they are very good value if you are prepared to wait, they are not massively expensive pedals


yeah, exactly. I mean if I could order a timmy right now at the current price (i realise the wait is because the prices are low), I'd do it. The problem is I'm not sure I want one enough to wait a year (maybe more) for one, plus as you say, it's not exactly terribly easy to order one even if you do want one.

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Re: Clear, transparent, subtle-ish overdrive pedal with no fizz?
« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2011, 11:55:32 AM »
Didn't realise you was in huddersfield may have to pay a visit at some point and try a few of your creations
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Re: Clear, transparent, subtle-ish overdrive pedal with no fizz?
« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2011, 08:48:09 PM »
No worries fella. Drop me a PM when you fancy a trip over.
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