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ericsabbath

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Re: Help on new pickups for a Les Paul Classic + Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2011, 07:15:41 PM »
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Re: Help on new pickups for a Les Paul Classic + Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2011, 09:15:04 PM »
 :lol:

Well, you know.  The Burstbucker Pro pickups aren't BAAAAAD but the Rebel Yells eat them for lunch...




...Many times.

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Re: Help on new pickups for a Les Paul Classic + Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2011, 01:12:40 PM »
Did you email Bare Knuckle for their official recommendation?  That is often the best approach.
Yea this is want I did this morning and already received a first reply.
Ben brought it down: I am torn between two worlds.
I think there are two options:
taking a modern high output humbucker set or hotter vintage ones.

I GUESS with a modern pu set I couldn't achieve a moderate gain sound because of the metal amp with less upper mids/edge to cut through. I am already using a minus boost pedal on the red channel to turn down the output of the 500T by the way. The result is a bit less gain but also less life and transients...

It is a shame that there is not a modern tone demo of the Rebel Yells because they really handle high gain beautifully well.  I have a set in a Les Paul Standard and it makes my Dual Rectifier growl like crazy.  It definitely has more of that 'classic rock' / Marshall upper mid character to the tone, something which I love. 
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The output is NOT the same as a ceramic though.  They'll do great punk / hardcore tones but you'll most likely have to boost your head to get into modern metal territory.  These MAY be what you want but you might find them a bit weak. 
Yea I definetly like to listen how they handle the "modern hi gain" so far...

Second option: A hotter vintage setup would offer this more marshall kinda mids.
These mids are what I am looking for! With the setup I got right now, I can't get those mids (and tone!!! 1-2k...) because there are just not there. I think this situation wouldn't improve with a pu set like the nailbombs. But this is just an impression!

The question is how far will I be able to kick, for example the RYs, into a more punchy and tight sound with fatness playing palmmuted stuff.
I mean... the Uberschall has enough balls, but does it really fit together?

I even got enough pedals, TS and Boosts to crank it up. Temporarily I am using them for pushing the clean into crunshy sounds. Which sounds way better with more flexibility by the way then the red channel!  :shock:

Hopefully my last question  :)
Is it a bit similar to fish or fowl?
I mean is it about chosing a classical pu set and living with the loss of tight, fat punch or chosing a modern setup with probably too much output, causing less gain and tone flexibility on the uber?  :?
The only thing I am pretty sure of is to chose an alnico V.
To resume: I think there are more arguments to pick the rebell yells as most of you guys already recommended.

Thank you so much guys! Really appreciating it  :D
This conversation has brought me forward a lot!

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Re: Help on new pickups for a Les Paul Classic + Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2011, 01:25:41 PM »
The pickups are actually similar to the Burstbucker Pro pickups

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbeR6uYxU50

*lol*  :D

Close to a decision, this is the ranking:
The HDs and RYs are in lead. The nailbomb is nearly outta sight. I got the feeling that in combination with the bogner, they won't deliver these upper mids I can't live without anymore ;)

in suspense of another feedback from the guys from bkp. If they'll telling me cold sweat is the deal I will need some or even more booze *lol* 8)

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Re: Help on new pickups for a Les Paul Classic + Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2011, 02:29:43 PM »
The Rebel Yells are TIGHT and the neck pickup really is not boomy.  You'll get crazy articulation and super crunchy mids with these pickups.  (I'm currently debating between Crawlers and Holy Divers for a Godin LG)  Keep in mind that you can adjust the presence of the highs by raising and lowering the screws in the bridge pickup.  Gotta properly adjust your pickups...

If you want that sort of punk rock / hardcore high gain tone, the Gibson with Rebel Yells can get it. 

Another question:  What sort of Cab / Speakers are you running with the Bogner?  Cabinetry and Speaker combinations can greatly influence tone.

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Re: Help on new pickups for a Les Paul Classic + Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2011, 03:38:44 PM »
... Keep in mind that you can adjust the presence of the highs by raising and lowering the screws in the bridge pickup.  Gotta properly adjust your pickups...
do you mean the overall hight of the pickups? yea sure!
or are you talking bout the screws in the pu itself???  :? sorry maybe this is a dumb question!

... What sort of Cab / Speakers are you running with the Bogner? ...
At the moment I am using a VHT fat bottom 4x12 slanted version, which is not really my dream cab.
I think they got Eminence P-50s. The Uber has 120W btw...
If I could afford, I'd get myself a straight mesa rectifier oversized with v30...

I even could blister myself for selling the old Marshall cab with G12H 30. That was the best cab I've ever heard in life and my worst equipment sale ever!

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Re: Help on new pickups for a Les Paul Classic + Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2011, 03:49:53 PM »
the oversized recto cab is amazing for recording/mic'ing, but it sounds like ass in person with most amps
way too much bass and mids, and lacking high end
you could mix the vht eminence speakers with something else

the holy diver clips were recorded with a les paul custom, by the way, just like most of the other models
it's plenty of upper mids and not a bassy pickup at all
it's very mid centered with a ton of overall midrange and evenly balanced low and high end
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Re: Help on new pickups for a Les Paul Classic + Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2011, 05:06:14 PM »

do you mean the overall hight of the pickups? yea sure!
or are you talking bout the screws in the pu itself???  :? sorry maybe this is a dumb question!

Not at all what I am talking about.  The six screws in the pickup can be raised and lowered.  The higher they are, the more treble you get.  As you lower them the treble lessens.  You can raise the overall height of the pickup while lowering the screws and you'll mute the highs and really phatten up the signal. 

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I even could blister myself for selling the old Marshall cab with G12H 30. That was the best cab I've ever heard in life and my worst equipment sale ever!

DAMN MAN!  That Marshall cab probably rocked!  Are you in Europe?  If so, you should be able to acquire a Marshall cab without spending too much $$$s.  My suggestion would be to get a Marshall 1960ax cab (with v30s) and swap two v30s for g12H 30 70th Anniversary speakers.  This should give you a much MUCH more punky tone.

the oversized recto cab is amazing for recording/mic'ing, but it sounds like ass in person with most amps
way too much bass and mids, and lacking high end
you could mix the vht eminence speakers with something else

Ya, I didn't like the rectocab much.  It gets boomy, syrupy, and it isn't tight.  The Stiletto cab is much better IMO.  For those in the states, I always say to check out Mills cabs. (Mills Acoustics)  They are some of the tightest and hugest sounding cabs available.  They are kind of expensive though...

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the holy diver clips were recorded with a les paul custom, by the way, just like most of the other models
it's plenty of upper mids and not a bassy pickup at all
it's very mid centered with a ton of overall midrange and evenly balanced low and high end

It sounds like such a great pickup.  I prefer the Rebel Yells in my Les Paul Standard but I think the Holy Divers would TEAR as well.  I'm seriously considering them for my Godin LG but so far, the crawlers seem like a better option, if only because they will make that guitar so versatile and 'different' from my Lester. 

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Re: Help on new pickups for a Les Paul Classic + Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2011, 06:17:00 PM »
...The six screws in the pickup can be raised and lowered.  The higher they are, the more treble you get.  As you lower them the treble lessens.  You can raise the overall height of the pickup while lowering the screws and you'll mute the highs and really phatten up the signal. 
oh okay I knew about the overall height adjustment possibilities but I wasn't aware that you can do a finetuning with the screws height either! thx! :idea:

DAMN MAN!  That Marshall cab probably rocked!  Are you in Europe?  If so, you should be able to acquire a Marshall cab without spending too much $$$s.  My suggestion would be to get a Marshall 1960ax cab (with v30s) and swap two v30s for g12H 30 70th Anniversary speakers.  This should give you a much MUCH more punky tone.
yea DAMN is the right word... these older g12h30 were so awesome, full of pure tone and action! powerfull and really smooth, no harsch and infact nothing undesirable or annoying. a goddamn blast!!! I will not get over selling it... for all time...  :violin1:
well at least the guy who bought it was the happiest ever ;)
I'm from Germany and yea again: the AX is on my mind either.
The point is that it has 100W while the Uber delivers 120W :/
at high volumes that could be too much...

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Re: Help on new pickups for a Les Paul Classic + Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2011, 07:23:08 PM »
Did I type AX?  Sorry, I meant Marshall 1960AV.  The G12m 25 greenbacks won't be able to handle 120watts.  If you swap two v30s for 2 G12H 30s you'll do well.

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Re: Help on new pickups for a Les Paul Classic + Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2011, 09:37:16 AM »
haha lol we're talking bout the same cab and are both naming it wrong =)
you are absolutely right! v30 in the AV handle 60W per speaker... just haven't been into this for a few years.

I owned an AX with 4x G12m at the time I played an older 2 channel dual recto. Well it's not a ROCK cab in my opinion... the sound great but I was missing the last punch you know?!
hm at least I think it's important to have a mortised cab (is that the right word for it? correct me if I'm wrong. no native and angus' playing his stunning razors edge live intro in the back =)
perhaps I will get two g12H30 and replace two of these eminence in the vht fat bottom.

great I'm going to buy myself a new humbucker set and even start thinking about new cab options. THANK YOU  :)
have a nice weekend all!

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Re: Help on new pickups for a Les Paul Classic + Bogner Uberschall
« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2011, 06:25:35 AM »
If the cab doesn't sound good I wouldn't waste any money on it.  Might as well sell it and just get one you like.  You'll save much more money that way in the long run.  v30 / g12H 30 mixed in a 4 x 12 would sound sick, I think.