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Seymour Duncan video...
« on: July 05, 2011, 09:20:51 PM »
http://www.premierguitar.com/Video/20080718/244/Seymour_Duncan_Custom_Winding_Pickups_Part_1.aspx

Thought this might be of interest to some of you on this forum - Seymour Duncan sharing some tips/tricks on how he winds pickups.

Interestingly, he states that he feels scatter-winding humbuckers is a bad idea.  He's entitled to his opinion, however I think BKP are getting some pretty tasty results from doing this.

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Re: Seymour Duncan video...
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2011, 09:39:42 PM »
im sure those silver wire mega expensive seymour duncans are scatterwound....

same with the antiquity line.

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Re: Seymour Duncan video...
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2011, 09:41:10 PM »
Antiquitys are wound on the old Leesona aren't they?  Not exactly scatter, but not exactly uniform?

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Re: Seymour Duncan video...
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2011, 10:07:30 PM »
antiquities are on the leesona as well as any custom shop ones that are requested old spec and/or specific requests to be wound on that one. They're more on the scatterwound side than perfectly uniform

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Re: Seymour Duncan video...
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2011, 12:12:32 AM »
I think BKP's are a few steps up, compared to a lot of SD's and factorypickups like in my American Series Strat HSS. So, the BKP-team must do something right!
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Re: Seymour Duncan video...
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2011, 08:52:36 AM »
The SD Custom Shop stuff is very, very good.

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Re: Seymour Duncan video...
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2011, 09:01:58 AM »
Don't have experience with the SD CS, but I believe you straight away. Heard great things about Amber and Kloppman too, but when I see these prices...
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Re: Seymour Duncan video...
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2011, 09:28:29 AM »
Yeah, the price gets high quickly!

BKPs have got more exopensive recently, but still represent great value  :)

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Re: Seymour Duncan video...
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2011, 12:36:45 PM »
Yeah, the price gets high quickly!

BKPs have got more exopensive recently, but still represent great value  :)

Compared to other boutique-manufacturers I think BKP's are still affordable and they sound great. A VHII/Mother's Milk set is on it's way for my HSS American Series-strat. :)
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Re: Seymour Duncan video...
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2011, 04:37:14 AM »
It would be interesting to hear some input from Tim on this one. He must be doing something right on the humbuckers, otherwise he wouldn't have such a dedicated following. Hopefully he can explain how he makes the scatter winding work with the humbuckers.

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Re: Seymour Duncan video...
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2011, 05:33:07 AM »
Tim>Seymour

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Re: Seymour Duncan video...
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2011, 06:19:37 AM »
It's just Seymour's view on scatter winding, many top winders around the world don't seem to have any trouble with the method! certainly not Tim.

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Re: Seymour Duncan video...
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2011, 06:25:46 AM »
It's just Seymour's view on scatter winding, many top winders around the world don't seem to have any trouble with the method! certainly not Tim.

Yeah I'm definitely with Tim on this one, I just think it would be interesting if he could explain his approach a bit. I'm sure most people on here are always interested to learn more about their favorite pickups  :D

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Re: Seymour Duncan video...
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2011, 01:07:11 PM »
I don't think you'll get much more out of Tim than he's already said. A Master Chef does not share his recipes. I've seen the vid before and I think SD is just plain wrong - I would defy him to say that BKs sound anything other than fantastic and Tim attributes much of his tone to scatterwinding. If you look at Bill Lawrence's site he totally dismisses the notion of scatterwinding claiming it is snake oil type marketing. I put it diwn to jealousy because there are plenty of smallish companies using scatterwindning to produce wonderful pickups and we guitarists are not idiots. We wouldn't buy it if it didn't sound good.
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Re: Seymour Duncan video...
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2011, 12:23:16 PM »
Seymour is a great guy, a good player, generous and one of the pioneers of aftermarket guitar parts, although he has always had a slight fetish for perfectly balanced humbucker coils, believing that it reduces the audible hum. I remember when he offered a service of taking PAFs apart and unwinding the coil with the higher reading until the DC resistance of the two coils matched exactly! Now, since then we've all learned that even with the exact same number of turns, because the bobbins are slightly different, the resistance will also be different.
Seymour has always been very meticulous in his work and finds the fact that scattered or even messy coils can produce tones that can be very pleasing, very hard.
It's a hard one. What is the best pickup? One that is built perfectly and will work reliably for many years, or an old one made hastily with little care, which may stop working at any minute but which has some magical tone which maybe nobody can hear when the drummer kicks in?
To Tim's credit, he has done the best possible to combine the two with a range of pickups which deliver all the tone, are wonderfully crafted, and guaranteed for life.
From my own point of view, scatterwinding is a very labour intensive way to wind pickups and the whole thing needs to be assembled with care because scatterwinding puts more stress on the bobbin, but if you think of how a string vibrates, it doesn't just move in one direction, side to side, so won't a scatterwound coil pick up more of the string  dynamics? It isn't snake oil even though some pickup makers want it to be!
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