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JohnnyGuitar

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Pickup advice for Loomis 7 string
« on: July 20, 2011, 07:29:10 PM »
Hi everybody,

I am getting a Schecter Loomis 7 string soon and I want to change the EMG 707 to some BKP. I mostly play modern metal and I want a tone like on this test of a BKP Cold Sweat (go to the end of the video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icZC-0CVrgc&feature=feedlik

This audio recording was made with a maghony guitar and the Loomis is Ash body. So I was wondering if there is any other pickup that will suit an Ash body guitar better than the Cold Sweat? Or if anyone in here has got some experience in changing pickups in a Loomis?

Thank you for any answer. :)

Madsakre

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Re: Pickup advice for Loomis 7 string
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2011, 08:25:13 PM »
I think keven knows best on this matter. He owns this guitar. From what i know he uses a Black dog in that guitar
Your music will never be as hard as this!

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irmasil3

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Re: Pickup advice for Loomis 7 string
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2011, 10:08:08 PM »
First I have the Loomis for a couple of months and though I was never in font of EMGs they really sound good on this guitar (if Metal is your thing).......never ever thought of changing them since,
Secondly, you will be left with a battery hole and beware that EMGs have one screw in the middle for hight adjustment so you will probably need to drill other holes...
Thus said, I Like my Holydivers. Very wide spread frequencies, and could enough tone to thrash....also clean quite nicely.

Keven

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Re: Pickup advice for Loomis 7 string
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2011, 12:27:19 PM »
about the loomis. it's a Ash body and maple neck and fretboard. quite spanky i'd say. if you like to have some compression in your tone, i'd steer away from the black dog and ask for something a bit hotter (i'm sure tim can help you with the 'hotter and more compressed' black dog question. shoot him an email!)

the black dog itself is a great PAF pickup, and i always liked PAF's. though i used a booster in front of my amp, i also pick quite hard so that's why i like my dynamics and the lack of compression of the black dog (on my 7 string) and the riff raff (on my 8 string)

you need a rather warm pickup that won't make the ash sound shrill or anything.`i'd steer away from the cold sweat for that guitar. i had a cold sweat in my mahogany body mahogany neck and ebony board 8 string and thought it was a bit on the fizzy and scooped side (i like mids!). and my 8 is darker than  my 7. so imagine a cold sweat7 in the ash body.  maybe try something like the holy diver?

 i listened to the clips and if you perk your ear up, the main difference i hear in the modern metal clip between the black dog and the holy diver, is the ''raunch'' of the strings. the dog is a bit clearer when nolly bangs hard on that loud chord in the beginning, and the 4 severly palm muted chugs. on the diver it has that same vibe, but feels like the high frequencies are a bit squashed when he does the same chords. of course, that's what i like about the black dog. kick its ass, it will scream, back off, it's an incredibly smooth and singing pickups (i dabble in both heavy thrash prog metal and jazz fusion blues so both are important to me! if they aren't to you, well holy diver?)

this is taken from warmoth.


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We have two very different types of Ash: Northern Hard Ash and Swamp Ash (Southern Soft Ash).

Northern Hard Ash is very hard, heavy and dense. A Strat® body will normally weigh 5 lbs. and up. Its density contributes to a bright tone and a long sustain which makes it very popular. Its color is creamy, but it also tends to have heartwood featuring pink to brown tints. The grain pores are open and it takes a lot of finish to fill them up.

Swamp Ash is a prized wood for many reasons. It is a fairly light weight wood which makes it easily distinguishable from Hard Ash. A Strat® body will normally weigh under 5 lbs. Many of the 50's Fenders were made of Swamp Ash. The grain is open and the color is creamy. This wood is a very nice choice for clear finishes. Swamp Ash is our second most popular wood. It is a very musical wood offering a very nice balance of brightness and warmth with a lot of "pop".

as far as installation goes, it's a bit of a pain and there are 2 ways to go about it.

I did it the DIY way, i trimmed off the legs of the pickups so it fits in the cavity. then i had to drill a hole from the tune-o-matic post to the electronics cavity to run a ground wire as EMG's aren't earthed on the bridge. change the pot to a 500k and that's about it. for rings you can either ring up/email dave from fretsonthenet. he did the rings on my 8 string and they're great rings, even if they cost 50$ for the pair, it's worth it as they're solid. i think allparts sell pickup rings for 7 strings quite cheap though.

the cleaner way would be to go see a tech like Jonathan from Feline Guitars (if you're from UK, i'm not!) to properly route the cavities a bit so the pickup legs fit. and then have him drill a hole for the bridge ground wire

hope that helped!
My BK's:
Black Dog8-Riff Raff8 / Black Dog7-Mule7
C-Bomb Set / Blackhawk Bridge
Holydiver Set/ BG50 Set

Keven

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Re: Pickup advice for Loomis 7 string
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2011, 12:29:59 PM »
that said. if you liked the scooped sound of the cold sweat. maybe go for a miracle man?

it's best to shoot tim an email. the man knows his pickups!
My BK's:
Black Dog8-Riff Raff8 / Black Dog7-Mule7
C-Bomb Set / Blackhawk Bridge
Holydiver Set/ BG50 Set

JohnnyGuitar

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Re: Pickup advice for Loomis 7 string
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2011, 06:42:05 PM »
that said. if you liked the scooped sound of the cold sweat. maybe go for a miracle man?

it's best to shoot tim an email. the man knows his pickups!

Thanks for your reply Keven. I checked "Suitability" on the Holy Diver pickup and it says that it suits brighter guitars which a Loomis guitar is.. I also like the sound of the Aftermath pickup. I don't know - picking pickups is a hard choice  :? What is Tim's e-mail? I already e-mailed BKP about my question and the only answer I got was that Cold Sweat is a good set etc...

Keven

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Re: Pickup advice for Loomis 7 string
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2011, 10:21:08 PM »
tim at bareknucklepickups co uk

also. one thing i learned about pickups and guitars, is that suitability is quite relative. i thought the riff raff bridge would be great for my mahogany 8 string, but i like the creamy slightly compressed tone of the black dog more. as i've come across a relatively bright mahogany plank, i may bite the bullet for a black dog on my 8 string.

that said, i'm fanciing a holy diver myself for a future guitar, whatever that may be! it,s sad that you buy guitars to fit the different bk's you want to buy XD
« Last Edit: July 23, 2011, 10:23:04 PM by Keven »
My BK's:
Black Dog8-Riff Raff8 / Black Dog7-Mule7
C-Bomb Set / Blackhawk Bridge
Holydiver Set/ BG50 Set

JohnnyGuitar

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Re: Pickup advice for Loomis 7 string
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2011, 08:31:25 PM »
tim at bareknucklepickups co uk

also. one thing i learned about pickups and guitars, is that suitability is quite relative. i thought the riff raff bridge would be great for my mahogany 8 string, but i like the creamy slightly compressed tone of the black dog more. as i've come across a relatively bright mahogany plank, i may bite the bullet for a black dog on my 8 string.

that said, i'm fanciing a holy diver myself for a future guitar, whatever that may be! it,s sad that you buy guitars to fit the different bk's you want to buy XD

I asked Tim and he said the Aftermath would be a good set. So I think I'll get me some BKP Aftermath! :D