weird news coverage of london tonight

[Ian Price]

Some of the looters have put clips up on Youtube - hope the police are watching them

This just proves that either they are a) stupid or b) think that the government will be soft on them. I reckon it's the former and that they are doing it to show their mates how hard they are i.e. they don't have the intelligence to think about possible consequences. I seriously hope they are all caught and bought to justice somehow.

Not sure if it has made the news but apparently last night the Turkish community in Dalston was been chasing looters away. If this is true good on them. It's kind of like school bullies but on a larger and more violent scale. They need to be stood up to with a show of force. It should really be a combined police/army operation now but I suspect there will be quite a bit of dithering and talks of 'Human Rights' for the looters.

I nearly had an argument with Jane about this last night as my view on dealing with violent social disorder is quite different to hers. Rubber bullets and water cannons need to be used so these people know that they can't just do what they want. If this results in more criminal activity the counter measure should continue until the message is heard LOUD AND CLEAR.

I am at a relatively safe distance from all of this but I sincerely hope it gets resolved very soon and that the communities so badly hit get back on their collective feet and back to relative normality quickly.

[gwEm]

the rioting in hackney/dalston is worryingly close where i live. though its far enough away for me not to be immediately in danger, its funny seeing shops and places i go to regularly in the news due to the trouble.

glad all the londoners on here are ok too.

[Dmoney]

I just woke up, so i dunno what else went on after about 2:30am.
As to whats been said... I don't think these kids care. I don't think it's about them not having morals, i think they know right from wrong but they absolutely do not care.

I don't believe all these people saying it was kids from 'outside the area' doing this stuff, like every borough just swapped its troublemakers with another and then all hell brakes loose. I don't buy it.

[Johnny Mac]

I just woke up, so i dunno what else went on after about 2:30am.
As to whats been said... I don't think these kids care. I don't think it's about them not having morals, i think they know right from wrong but they absolutely do not care.

I don't believe all these people saying it was kids from 'outside the area' doing this stuff, like every borough just swapped its troublemakers with another and then all hell brakes loose. I don't buy it.

How would these people know if these trouble makers were from anyway. I don't buy it either.
These people just don't give a sh*t, its as simple as that.
I wonder if anyone died last night.

[nfe]

Interesting to see the demographics of people out defending businesses and homes.

Bloody immigrants. Coming over here and defending our communities.

[Afghan Dave]

Darcus Howe tells the BBC: "I don't call it a riot, I call it an insurrection." - Well Darcus, I call you a C**T

[ToneMonkey]

Have you seen the vid of the West Indian woman having a good shout at the looters? I'm on my works computer so haven't got the link, but she hits the nail right on the head.

Got one of the wifes mates comming up to stay tonight. She's a bit jumpy as she was on the Kings Cross train when that was blown up (next carriage to the bomb). She lives on a barge now, just opposite of what seems to be looter HQ, so it's probably best that she comes for a few days in the country.

[gwEm]

i spent a day last year teaching some kids in Forest Gate (east of Stratford) music.

was struck heavily by the attitude there. some of the kids were up for learning something a bit different, but they were in the minority. most of them were incredibly cynical about life, they seemed to believe there was no opportunities open to them in life and just wanted to wind up the teacher and f_ck around as much as possible. they didn't really see any kind of future for themselves, but they knew they could live off the system to a certain extent, and they knew authorities didn't have any real teeth to keep them in check.

i would imagine its these type of kids doing the rioting. most of the ones i met had good hearts, even if they did want to f_ck around all the time. i am surprised its come down to this, but i think dmoney is right - they just don't care

[Roobubba]

Just shoot the lot of them. Job done. It'll cost us a lot less in the long run.

I f*king hate thieves.

[Will]

Hi guys, thought would pop back up here to check on the Londoners!

I think the logical opposition is to use the rubber shots and water cannons. Jackass started in the 90s by videoing themselves try this stuff out, so its not going to kill them.
Maybe this will reform the police's policy of the paper trail!

[HTH AMPS]

Just popping my head up to say Hi and that all is well here (as far as I can tell)

As has been said the main trouble seems to be North of the town centre and we are South

This has NOTHING to do with the shooting in Tottenham and everything to do with lawlessness, thieving - these scum are using it as an opportunity for behaviours that they wouldn't dare do otherwise.

The owner of the burnt out Reeves furniture store is a recent customer of mine - so sad!

Hoping everybody else stays safe!

Glad you're safe mate - same goes out to everyone here in any proximity to this mess.

[Ratrod]

I predicted this to happen. It happened in Paris. Those hoods were powder kegs waiting for a spark.

I find the media to PC in it's coverage. That guy that was shot was an armed and dangerous criminal, a gangster.

The looters and rioters don't do it because they're poor or anything. They do it because they're scum that want to live the life of a football or (gangsta) rap star.

Poor people loot and riot for food, not plasma TVs and sneakers.

[Stevepage]

Apparently people are posting leaflets to houses in my town of Hatfield, trying to organise a riot this weekend. Now my town is not a rich town, in fact it's a ghost town with only a few newsagents and barbers so I don't see what the hell they can try to loot. However if they do end up trying their cr@p in my street  or trying to damage my car or house, my friends, family and I will be giving them a bloody good hiding.

[psy]

Don't think anyone's picked up on this yet in this thread.  The Sony hub that was burnt down held the inventory for 150 independant record labels.

http://pitchfork.com/news/43474-sonypias-warehouse-burns-in-uk-riots/

[Philly Q]

I think the logical opposition is to use the rubber shots and water cannons. Jackass started in the 90s by videoing themselves try this stuff out, so its not going to kill them.

Yeah, problem then is someone will lose an eye, or have a heart attack, or die from some freak injury then all hell will break loose.

On the other hand, if this goes on for another couple of nights someone, somewhere is going to be killed or burned to death.  :(

(Nice to see you back, Will, by the way!  :)  )