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Ratrod

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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #150 on: August 10, 2011, 05:23:05 PM »
Seriously, nfe.

Isn't it time you 'gutmenschen' took your heads out of your @sses?

http://www.dict.cc/german-english/Gutmensch.html

All you do is call people with different opinions than yours liars, morons, pricks, muppets etc.

You're not debating or disussing, you're trolling.

You have no arguments only sophistries, ideoligical mantras and name calling.
« Last Edit: August 10, 2011, 05:47:36 PM by Ratrod »
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nfe

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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #151 on: August 10, 2011, 05:54:38 PM »
EDIT: No, I can't be arsed. I'm overcome with indifference.

I'll tip my hat to the few folks who've pm'd me and sit back from this nonsense.
« Last Edit: August 10, 2011, 05:59:42 PM by nfe »

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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #152 on: August 10, 2011, 06:14:52 PM »
All you do is call people with different opinions than yours liars, morons, pricks, muppets etc.

You're not debating or disussing, you're trolling.

You have no arguments only sophistries, ideoligical mantras and name calling.

I don't often agree with nfe, but I don't think any of that is true at all!

I believe he's always absolutely genuine and reasoned in his arguments (even if it is infuriatingly impossible to out-debate him or get him to concede a point on anything!  :P )
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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #153 on: August 10, 2011, 06:15:53 PM »
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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #154 on: August 10, 2011, 06:53:26 PM »
Seriously, nfe.

Isn't it time you 'gutmenschen' took your heads out of your @sses?

http://www.dict.cc/german-english/Gutmensch.html

All you do is call people with different opinions than yours liars, morons, pricks, muppets etc.

You're not debating or disussing, you're trolling.

You have no arguments only sophistries, ideoligical mantras and name calling.

I'm just going to assume you're drunk. This came out of nowhere and seems to bear no basis in reality...

Dmoney

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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #155 on: August 10, 2011, 06:56:48 PM »
i was just discussing these ideas (benefits and loss of housing) in work... while I'm in no doubt it would upset the guilty parties, where do they go and what do they do?

I don't want to sound like I feel sorry for them, but I'd be worried about the overall long term problem of a groups probability to inflict damage in whatever criminal way getting worse. I had a friend who went to prison for vandalism, when released he had learned his lesson, but because of what he'd done, he couldn't get a job, had no family, no way to earn money, nowhere to live, no address, no dole. He tried his best for as long as he could before he turned to shoplifting just to eat. He got caught by the police but the policeman that caught he just spoke to him calmly, said if he wrote him up he'd be going straight back to prison... but he understood my friends situation and let him go. My friend then sorted his life out, found a place, got a van, then moved to italy to work fixing moutain bikes on big trails. such a good ending, but SOOOO easy for that not to have happened.

Now, I dunno how many of these scumbags are actually claiming benefits for housing or jobseekers, but if the burden of looking after them is taken off the state (freeing up our taxes) then do they end up homeless? a burden on charities which are having funding cut? does the rate of homelessness rise? who will hire these people? worst case scenario might be that the you take these people and throw them onto the streets with absolutely no means to get by like the rest of society and the only thing they can do to live is turn to crime and we know they are pretty good at that and don't care about victims already... I'd actually move out of london if this happened because I'd be terrified of leaving my house.

I don't have an answer. I'm not being sympathetic with the guilty. I just wonder how some of these ideas will pan out. I agree people need to be punished but some of these suggestions feel a bit too knee jerk to me when trying to consider the long term effect.

Dmoney

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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #156 on: August 10, 2011, 07:55:06 PM »

Making a point for discussion of 'causes' not 'excuses'

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/2011/08/10/moralism-and-rioters/

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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #157 on: August 10, 2011, 08:06:59 PM »
"A conservative is a liberal who got mugged...."

Hopefully the signs are good that the British people (black/brown/white) have just taken a collective jump to the right.

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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #158 on: August 10, 2011, 08:12:31 PM »
See that guy from Salford on the news?
saying he can't get jobs because of all the immigrants and what not, so he supports going and smashing shops up.

He didn't appear to be a clear thinking gent though.

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Surely a REAL conservative is someone who has never had to live with the threat of being mugged?  PDT_002
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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #159 on: August 10, 2011, 08:12:50 PM »
One thing I love about this forum is that there ARE opinionated people that contribute, and they cover all political opinions.

Some of us are more vocal than others, and sometimes the sparks do fly, but I don't think that any of us are ever particularly unreasonable.  

Except for Roo, obviously.

I'm quite a lefty, but I've definitely had my assumptions challenged on this forum, and I think I'm a better person for it.

One thing I'll note about this debate: often we're talking at cross purposes.  Firstly, what causes a population to behave in this way, and secondly how you tactically deal with the result.  The two are different, I think.

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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #160 on: August 10, 2011, 08:18:42 PM »

One thing I'll note about this debate: often we're talking at cross purposes.  Firstly, what causes a population to behave in this way, and secondly how you tactically deal with the result.  The two are different, I think.

Mark.


I agree. I'm worried the discussion about causes out in the world beyond this forum will be brushed aside because of the intensity of the violence. when its all done with, I just don't want to live in country where I feel scared of the police, where all protests are met with intense police tactics, with huge slums and increased crime in our inner cities. Building more prisons and increasing sentences doesn't seem to work. I don't want to live in America the remix.

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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #161 on: August 10, 2011, 09:08:25 PM »
One thing I love about this forum is that there ARE opinionated people that contribute, and they cover all political opinions.

Some of us are more vocal than others, and sometimes the sparks do fly, but I don't think that any of us are ever particularly unreasonable.  

Except for Roo, obviously.

I agree, the cause of societies problems are too complex....

This cause of this forum's problems are simple... Roo.

That b'stard wouldn't even loot a telecaster if it was Seafoam Green!  :P :P
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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #162 on: August 10, 2011, 09:19:41 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzDQCT0AJcw

For the Darcus Howe Fans?

Whereas I would love to be able to empathise with the disgruntled "Yoofs", they are not (IMO, YMMV) voicing dissatisfaction with social inequalities, but being opportunist thugs.

I also don't support the idea that the police just go around blowing peoples heads off although that idea/conspiracy has been doing the rounds on facebook.

To anyone affected by the riots around the country, I hope that you and your families remain safe and secure.

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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #163 on: August 10, 2011, 09:33:11 PM »
I watched a doc Darcus Howe made one about the company Egg. it was pretty interesting and that was really all I knew him for... but some of the stuff he's been ranting about just seems like attaching his own agenda to mindless unjustified violence.

Although the "yootdem" aren't really the voice of anything, it doesn't stop them from potentially being the result of factors like social inequalities. That isn't an argument for justification, it's something to be talked about in future when trying to reduce the potential for this to happen again rather than just increasing police powers to deal with the product of yoof gon wyld.

Roo is a closet tele lover. Self hating tele lovers... its an old cliche.

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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #164 on: August 10, 2011, 09:39:06 PM »
"The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" Lady Thatcher (Peace Be Upon Her) :D :D

Really?

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